Level 3

Krystoff wrote:Thia will stay where she is at and twin strike the undead she has HQ'd. She is after Sonya.

Thia posted a little out of turn, but Sonya just went & I'm after Thia...

standard action: cast 'Magic Missile' on the corporeal Undead W of Candelos (+2 dam from AR feat)
move action: shift 1 N
done.

Note: If Thia gets some crits & somehow drops that one, switch targets to the Ghost Kaddim is fighting (the more wounded one). Edit: If I'm attacking the Ghost, shift first, then cast, so no cover.

Mick wrote:Candelos will
standard: attack the undead to his W with Holy Strike. Hopefully the extra radiant damage will off set his weaken state.
move: shift west to give Kaddim a flanking bonus
mark on the ghost continues

Candelos' turn:
Standard: use Holy Strike on the undead
HW 30 vs Ac hits for 18/2=9hp of damage. You think he did take extra damage from the radiant attack.

Move: shift 1E

At the end of Candelos' turn he rolls a 2 and remains weakened.

Sonya's turn...

Teramotos wrote:Sonya will:
Move Action: Shift NE
Standard Action: BMA vs. the Ghost I have flanking on w Candelos
Doesn't appear anyone needs healing...done.

Sonya's turn:
Move: shift 1NE
Standard: make a MBA on the ghostly figure
MBA 23 vs Ac hits for 11hp of damage (you don't think he took full damage).

Thia's turn...

Teramotos wrote:I think there was a ruling that even if you are incorporeal, you cannot end your turn within a solid object; not 100% on that.

Hmm, you could be right.

The PHB states that a phasing creature can't end its move in an occupied square.

The module does describe the "ghostly figures" tactics and it does say they will make use of the pyramid construction to disappear through walls/floors and hide.

I took that to mean that they could end their turn inside of a solid object.

If you guys like we can discuss it on the rules forum.

Krystoff wrote:Thia will stay where she is at and twin strike the undead she has HQ'd. She is after Sonya.

Thia's turn:
Standard: use Twin Strike on the undead
TS #1 22 vs Ac miss
TS #2 23 vs Ac miss

At the end of Thia's turn she rolls a 9 and remains weakened.

Miri's turn...

I think it means they would phase through a wall and goto the next room or level to get away. They would still have to end their turn in an open area. In the same vein I don't think they can be force moved into a wall.

Mick wrote:None of the orb's powers can do that.
free action: ask Vyrellis for advice on how to deal with the ghost.

Vyrellis to Candelos:
The floating creatures looks like some type of wraith to me. They generally stay close to where they died or are bound. They also tend to flee when bloodied and return when most if not all of their strength has returned.

My advice is to get them both bloodied about the same time and make them flee together, otherwise one will rest while the other attacks.

You could also try leaving the area to see if they follow.

I think its fair to assume when they have been going into walls they know of open spaces above, below or on the sides. Only push is probably an incorrect ruling.

Ross wrote:I think its fair to assume when they have been going into walls they know of open spaces above, below or on the sides. Only push is probably an incorrect ruling.

Sounds fair... But what if the walls were hollow?

The environment of the pyramid changes to suit the strongest inhabitant in the area. If the area was designed specifically for the wraiths, then the walls could very well have open areas where the wraiths could hide.

Normally that would be a bit cheezy, but the pyramid does conform to its inhabitants...

The push would also work if the wall they were pushed into were hollow.

bradly wrote:

Krystoff wrote:Thia will stay where she is at and twin strike the undead she has HQ'd. She is after Sonya.

Thia posted a little out of turn, but Sonya just went & I'm after Thia...

standard action: cast 'Magic Missile' on the corporeal Undead W of Candelos (+2 dam from AR feat)
move action: shift 1 N
done.

Note: If Thia gets some crits & somehow drops that one, switch targets to the Ghost Kaddim is fighting (the more wounded one). Edit: If I'm attacking the Ghost, shift first, then cast, so no cover.

Miri's turn:
Standard: cast Magic Missile on the undead
MM 24 vs Ref hits for 14+2hp of damage. The undead creature falls.

Move: Miri shifts 1N

NPCs turn...

Dwarmaj wrote:If the area was designed specifically for the wraiths, then the walls could very well have open areas where the wraiths could hide.

It doesn't even have to be big openings. Squeezing would be okay since they don't have to care about giving up combat advantage. Either way, I say we leave it as is, since this is pretty much a unique situation and won't be a precedent for other encounters anyway. The push was meant to slam into a wall for more damage; in this case I don't think it would have & the way it was adjudicated seems fine.

Dwarmaj wrote:Vyrellis to Candelos:
The floating creatures looks like some type of wraith to me. They generally stay close to where they died or are bound...

Oh! Miri just thought of something... Do the Wraiths resemble any of the bone piles in the nooks? What if we collected all the bones & brought them to Breeze's lair?

Undead turn:
Undead #1 (marked by Candelos)
Move: shift 1 NE
Standard: use Frightful Moan
FM vs Kaddim 17 vs Will hits, Kaddim is dazed (save ends)
FM vs Candelos 22 vs Will hits, Candelos is pushed west and Dazed (save ends)
FM vs Thia 27 vs Will hits, Thia is pushed west and Dazed (save ends)

Undead #2
Move: shift 1W

Standard: use Fightful Moan
FM vs Candelos 12+2 vs Will miss
FM vs Kaddim 16+2 vs Will hits, Kaddim is pushed 3 and Dazed (save ends).
FM vs Sonya 28 vs Will hits, Sonya is pushed 3 south and Dazed (save ends).
FM vs Thia 27+2 vs Will hits, Thia is dazed (save ends).



Kaddim's turn...

Current PC status:
Kaddim 46+15/79hp with 8/11 surges (Dazed x2)
Sonya 65/66hp with 4/9 surges (Dazed)
Thia 40/65hp with 1/7 surges (Dazed x2, Weakened)
Candelos 72/78hp with 11/14 surges (Dazed, Weakened)
Miri 58/58hp with 8/9 surges

bradly wrote:

Dwarmaj wrote:Vyrellis to Candelos:
The floating creatures looks like some type of wraith to me. They generally stay close to where they died or are bound...

Oh! Miri just thought of something... Do the Wraiths resemble any of the bone piles in the nooks? What if we collected all the bones & brought them to Breeze's lair?

Miri can't see the nooks very well, but the other PC take a quick look and say yea, the bones could belong to the wraiths.

Currently Kaddim's turn... then Candelos

Charge the one to my North using FoeSnare.

If I hit, say, "Take this one out now. He stuck for a little while."

Ross wrote:Charge the one to my North using FoeSnare.

Kaddim's turn:
Standard: Charge the ghostly figure to the north and use Foesnare
Foesnare 30 vs AC hits for 14hp of damage (it doesn't look like it took full damage)

The ghostly figure is immobilized until the end of Kaddim's next turn


At the end of his turn Kaddim rolls a 19 and is no longer dazed.


Candelos' turn...

Dwarmaj wrote:
At the end of his turn Kaddim rolls a 19 and is no longer dazed...

I think Kaddim needs one more save...

Dwarmaj wrote:Current PC status:
Kaddim 46+15/79hp with 8/11 surges (Dazed x2)

bradly wrote:

Dwarmaj wrote:
At the end of his turn Kaddim rolls a 19 and is no longer dazed...

I think Kaddim needs one more save...

Dwarmaj wrote:Current PC status:
Kaddim 46+15/79hp with 8/11 surges (Dazed x2)

Thanks I forgot...


Kaddim rolls his second save and gets a 12 and is no longer dazed.

Candelos' turn...hmmm,
Sonya "I can charge the one that's not immobile, or I can javalin the one that is immobile."

Concentrate all firepower on one target.

Standard: Throw shield at far ghost.
roll saves

Sonya: Throw Javalin (that is in my hand w the light shield) at the far ghost.
If I have to drop my axe as a free action to do so, I will.
If I cannot attack with the javalin with a single standard action, I'll just charge the near ghost with my axe, making a MBA instead.
Roll Save

Mick wrote:Standard: Throw shield at far ghost.
roll saves

Candelos' turn:
Standard: throw shield at the far ghostly figure
Shield 17 vs Ac miss

At the end of Candelos' turn he rolls two saves
vs Dazed 18 success
vs Weakened 2 failed




Sonya's turn...

Teramotos wrote:Sonya: Throw Javalin (that is in my hand w the light shield) at the far ghost.
If I have to drop my axe as a free action to do so, I will.
If I cannot attack with the javalin with a single standard action, I'll just charge the near ghost with my axe, making a MBA instead.
Roll Save

You can't throw the javalin using your shield arm so you'd have to switch hands. Is switching hands a free action or minor action?

Dropping an item is a free action but retrieving an item "from your person" is a minor action. Picking up an item in your space is also a minor action.

Thoughts...

I did use a minor action to retrieve the item and put it in my shield hand with my light shield.
I'll just go ahead and charge the near undead w my best weapon, my Waraxe for a MBA.
Roll save, done.

Teramotos wrote:I did use a minor action to retrieve the item and put it in my shield hand with my light shield.

True, but you can't use an item you're holding when you have a shield equipped.

quote="Teramotos"]I'll just go ahead and charge the near undead w my best weapon, my Waraxe for a MBA.
Roll save, done.[/quote]

Sonya's turn:
Standard: charge the closest wraith
Charge 31+1 vs Ac hits for 9hp of damage. (1/2 due to incorporeal)

At the end of Sonya's turn she rolls a 14 and is no longer dazed.





Thia's turn, then Miri...

Twin Strike the ghost near Kaddim

Save versus weakened and dazed

Krystoff wrote:Twin Strike the ghost near Kaddim

Save versus weakened and dazed

Thia's turn:
Standard: use Twin Strike on a ghostly figure
TS #1 20 vs Ac hits for 9/2=4hp of damage (you don't think he took full damage)
TS #2 30 vs Ac hits for 10/2=5hp of damage (you don't think he took full damage)

At the end of Thia's turn she has to make three saves
vs Daze #1 she rolls an 8 failed
vs Daze #2 she rolls a 7 failed
vs Weakened she rolls a 3 failed





Miri's turn...

Dwarmaj wrote:Miri's turn...

Miri will:
standard action: cast 'Magic Missile' on the closest (& bloodied) Ghost (+2 dam from AR feat)
move action: shift 1 E
done.
Note: I was going to shift NE, but I saw you moved her token from last round.
Note: Without having looked at the rules, so take it for what it's worth, I would have allowed a simple switch of hands as a free action.

bradly wrote:

Dwarmaj wrote:Miri's turn...

Miri will:
standard action: cast 'Magic Missile' on the closest (& bloodied) Ghost (+2 dam from AR feat)
move action: shift 1 E
done.
Note: I was going to shift NE, but I saw you moved her token from last round.
Note: Without having looked at the rules, so take it for what it's worth, I would have allowed a simple switch of hands as a free action.

Miri's turn:
Standard: cast Magic Missile at the closest enemy
MM 29 vs Ref hits for 14+2hp of damage (It doesn't look like he took full damage...)

Move: shift 1E




NPCs turn...

NPCs turn:

Wraith #1:
Standard: use Shadow Touch on Kaddim
ST 25 vs Ref hits for 7hp of damage. Kaddim is Weakened (save ends)
The wraith takes 2hp of radiant damage from Candelos' mark.

Wraith #2:
Standard: use Shadow Touch on Sonya
ST 22 vs Ref hits for 10hp of damage. Sonya is Weakened (save ends).

Move: use Shadow Glide and shift NE




Kaddim's turn... Then Candelos...

Dwarmaj wrote:Move: use Shadow Glide and shift NE

Yay, they finally left Thia alone! Weakening our only striker hurt us quite a bit this battle. I hope Kaddim can immobilize again... I don't think we can finish the bloodied one this round with all of us doing 1/2 or 1/4 damage.

Hmmm...what do you all think? I think Kaddim would try to immobilize the wounded ghost again to give us a chance to finish it off. Since many of us are weakened, trying to immobilize the other ghost doesn't make much sense as even with attacks from Candelos, Thia and Sonya, with it being incorporeal and us being weakened, those three or four attacks, even if they all hit, likely won't be enough.

I think; Kaddim:
Move: Shift N
Standard: The attack that immobilizes (if it is an at will)
Minor: Mark it (if it takes a minor to do so)
Make Save...
...what do you guys think?

The imobilizing attack that Kaddim cast last round was 'Foesnare', and according to his bio is an encounter ability. I don't know what 'isolating slam' does, but if it imobilizes, and he hasn't used it yet, I'd think he'd use that one. If he has no imobilizing attack left, I say we just do our best to run them off... we can't beat them.

Teramotos wrote:Hmmm...what do you all think? I think Kaddim would try to immobilize the wounded ghost again to give us a chance to finish it off. Since many of us are weakened, trying to immobilize the other ghost doesn't make much sense as even with attacks from Candelos, Thia and Sonya, with it being incorporeal and us being weakened, those three or four attacks, even if they all hit, likely won't be enough.

I think; Kaddim:
Move: Shift N
Standard: The attack that immobilizes (if it is an at will)
Minor: Mark it (if it takes a minor to do so)
Make Save...
...what do you guys think?

I'd prefer to wait on Ross to say what he wants his PC to do or give someone else control.

Kaddim doesn't have any more attacks that Immobilize.

Marking the creature will overwrite Candelos' mark. Candelos' mark does radiant damage which they are vulnerable to while Kaddim's mark reduces damage that enemies do.

He's also weakened so any damage he does is divided by 4...

Dwarmaj wrote:
Vyrellis to Candelos:
The floating creatures looks like some type of wraith to me. They generally stay close to where they died or are bound. They also tend to flee when bloodied and return when most if not all of their strength has returned...

Miri: "Guys, I don't think we can win this fight with standard tactics. Let's switch things up... Especially everyone who's weakened, start gathering all of their bones and bring them to me. I have a bag of holding to put them in. If the Wraiths are bound to their bones they'll either be trapped in an extra-dimension or we'll possibly at least enrage them enough to forgo their normal tactics..."

Mark one of the creatures. Done.

Ross wrote:Mark one of the creatures. Done.

Hmm, why no attack?

You guys probably can't kill it in a single round, but the more damage you do the longer it'll hide for.

Candelos is next...

Candelos will:
move: NE, E, E to flank with Kaddim
standard: attack with Holy Strike.
Hopefully the extra radiant damage will off set his weaken state.

I'm weakened, right?

Oh, sorry. Been at work and didn't have time to read carefully. I'll just hit him with my Lightning Lure.

Move: NE, NE so I'm south of Candelos
Standard: Commander's Strike - Give either Candelos or Kaddim a free melee basic attack. If one of them made their save vs. weakened, then that's the one that gets the attack. If they either both missed or both made thier save, then Candelos gets the attack.
Free: "Thia, if you stand next to and behind me in case you get attacked I can deflect the attack with my shield."
Make Save, done

Ross wrote:Oh, sorry. Been at work and didn't have time to read carefully. I'll just hit him with my Lightning Lure.

Lightning Lure is a Ranged attack and provokes an AoO...

Ross wrote:Oh, sorry. Been at work and didn't have time to read carefully. I'll just hit him with my Lightning Lure.

Kaddim's turn:
Standard: use Booming Blade on the wraith (unless you want the AoO...)
BB 21 vs Ac hits for 15/2=7 hp of damage

Minor: mark the wraith

At the end of Kaddim's turn he rolls a 16 and is no longer weakened.

Candelos' turn...

Mick wrote:Candelos will:
move: NE, E, E to flank with Kaddim
standard: attack with Holy Strike.
Hopefully the extra radiant damage will off set his weaken state.

Candelos' turn:
Move: move into flanking position with Kaddim
Standard: use Holy Strike on the Wraith
HS 25 vs Ac hits for 16/2=8hp of radiant damage. (The wraith looks badly wounded...)





Sonya's turn, then Thia...

Teramotos wrote:Move: NE, NE so I'm south of Candelos
Standard: Commander's Strike - Give either Candelos or Kaddim a free melee basic attack. If one of them made their save vs. weakened, then that's the one that gets the attack. If they either both missed or both made thier save, then Candelos gets the attack.
Free: "Thia, if you stand next to and behind me in case you get attacked I can deflect the attack with my shield."
Make Save, done

Sonya's turn:
Move: move south of Candelos

Standard: use Commander's Strike and give Candelos a free MBA.
Candelos MBA 24 vs Ac hits for 18hp of damage. (It looks like one more hit may take it down...)


At the end of Sonya's turn she rolls an 18 and is no longer weakened.





Thia's turn... then Miri...

Note: you guys have a really good shot of taking the first one out.