moving through enemy squares

MOVING THROUGH OCCUPIED SQUARES
✦ Ally: You can move through a square occupied by an ally.

✦ Enemy: You normally can’t move through an enemy’s space unless that enemy is helpless or two size
categories larger or smaller than you.

Moving into a nonhelpless enemy’s space provokes an opportunity attack from that enemy,
because you left a square adjacent to the enemy. (Some powers let you move through an enemy’s
square without provoking an opportunity attack.)

✦ Ending Movement: You can end your movement in an ally’s square only if the ally is prone. You can
end your movement in an enemy’s square only if the enemy is helpless. However, Tiny creatures can end
their movement in a larger creature’s square. If you don’t have enough movement remaining to reach a
square you are allowed to be in, your move ends in the last square you could occupy.

✦ Standing Up: If you’re prone and in the same square as another creature, see “Stand Up,” page 292, for
how to stand up.

Dwarmaj wrote:✦ Enemy: You normally can’t move through an enemy’s space unless that enemy is helpless or two size
categories larger or smaller than you.

Teramotos wrote:So, a quasi-slain vampire is being classed as "Helpless", thus allowing PC's to move through their square. I don't understand the part about classifying PC's as "Helpless"...clarify please.

Dwarmaj wrote:
He's saying that we're helpless if we can't affect them.

I guess we could still grab them, we just can't do any damage if we don't have a sword, wooden stake, or fire/radiant weapon/damage.

Teramotos wrote:So, a quasi-slain vampire is being classed as "Helpless", thus allowing PC's to move through their square...

Teramotos wrote:however, "Helpless" implies defenseless and even if you can't damage the opponent, you can still push them away, block, and dodge.

Teramotos wrote:...why not just break the rules and say in the Buffy Verse, dead vamps can move through PC's squares if the PC doesn't have a weapon that can affect.

Ross wrote:I don't even think we need to allow coup de gras against the dying vampires either. Just say they have to be hit by a killing attack to drop them. Otherwise just let them have their move actions.