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    Post by Teramotos Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:26 am

    All -

    January 13 2023. I am the primary DM for the World of Westron, a DnD campaign since 1975. Due to Wizards of the Coasts' attempt to issue a NEW OGL, I encourage my more than two dozen players to cancel any subscriptions they may have to DnD Beyond.

    I have more than thirty years of professional experience with subcontracts and IP and fully support the efforts of Paizo and their Open RPG License.







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    Post by Krystoff Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:41 am

    I completely agree with you. This is one of the biggest money grabs and middle fingers to not only the companies that were using the OGL but the player base as well.

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    Post by Ross Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:22 pm

    I agree as well, but it seems like everyone abandoning #DnD5e is going to hurt the 3rd Party companies as much as it will #WotC. I also feel bad for the #WOTCstaff that put their heart and soul into producing products for us all these years. We should be aiming our anger at @hasbro, not at WOTC, which is really just the middleman.
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    Post by Ross Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:28 pm

    Facebook post from AFK Tavern. It sums it up nicely.
    January 14 @ 6:32pm

    Skita i det blå skåpet...
    One grognard’s thoughts and opinions based on hearsay, rumor, 5th hand information, urban myth, and shit that some dude on the internet said. Take this all with mountains of salt.
    The OGL, DnD, and the whole Hasbro Shit-Show.
    Hasbro fucked the community, and it may have fucked itself. Hasbro’s response to the whole OGL kerfuffle couldn’t have been less out of touch with their consumers if they had just posted “Let them Eat Cake”
    But lets zoom out and give this whole thing a bit of context. In 1999 Hasbro bought WotC, but thats not really the start of all this… zoom out a bit more:  April 10, 1997, WotC bought TSR.. but lets back up just a little bit more…
    January 1989: Corporate Raider, Hostile Investor, and Certified Shit-Stain, Ron Perelman (not to be confused with iconic actor Ron Pearlman), hot off the heels of his aggressively shady hostile takeover of cosmetics giant Revlon, sets his eyes on his next “under monetized” golden calf, and settles on buying Marvel Comics.
    Perelman takes the cover price of comicbooks from $0.65 to $1.50+. Comic lines are expanded from approximately 40 to 150+ per month. Gimmick covers at a steap upcharge are introduced. Comic Book Shops are forced into minimum orders, and mandatory pairings (if you wanted to carry Uncanny X-Men in your comic book shop, you also have to buy copies of some book that you’ll probably never sell). Perelman buys out distributors, starts offering direct to consumer sales, buys up toy manufacturers, buys up licensees, buys up clothing manufacturers, sticker makers, shifts heavy royalties onto the licensees that wont sell out to him. Perelman “vertically intergrates” most of marvel’s down channel economy, and what he cant acquire outright, he financially attacks, in a unending effort to squeeze one more dollar, one more penny, out of every customer. Not just Profit, but MORE PROFIT. More more more more. - sidenote: its has been mentioned that in biology unchecked growth is most commonly referred to as “cancer.”
    Setting aside a lot of the more nuanced and detail leaden minutiae of the Comic Wars of the 1990s, the end result is that Marvel was leveraged to the hilt in its never ending expansion, the industry as a whole was super-saturated with product, and the retailers and licensees that made up the bulk of the actual sales (but not the profit) were getting squeezed tighter and tighter every month.
    The Bubble Burst.
    Comicbook shops began to close en mass. Comicbook Distributors began to fold with no shops to sell their inventory to. More Shops closed, unable to make minimum orders to open new accounts with a new distributor to fill the subscription box orders when their shelves were already over burdened with books they couldn’t sell. Comicbook readership basically evaporated overnight. Without a fanbase there was no one to buy the 150 books a month, the action figures, the stickers, the pajamas, t shirts, collectible cards, etc, etc, etc.
    December 27th 1996, Marvel files for bankruptcy. The entire Comicbook industry imploded.
    The local Comic Shops? The Comicbook Distributors? Those were also the retailers and the distributors for the Roleplaying Game industry as well. There are dozens upon dozens of factors that contributed to the demise of TSR, and those are many a tale on their own, and while the death of Comicbook shops were not The Vehicle, Perelman’s greed sure as fuck paved The Road that lead to WotC owning D&D in the first place.
    A mere four months after the Marvel filing, in April of 1997, Wizards of the Coast, flush with cash from the Pokemon trading card game, bought TSR and all of it’s assets – most notably: Dungeons & Dragons.
    Lets toss in some hand waving to skip over some details, A meeting takes place at WotC to sort through the complete mess that is the production, distribution, administration and finances of the newly acquired D&D. And what comes out of these meetings is the clear understanding that the game is only as viable as it is popular. Ryan Dancey (the man responsible for the OGL) uses the example of the telephone: If you are the only person with a telephone it has no value, the more people that have phones, the more people you can call, and the more value the phone has. (Mr. Dancey, and all those involved in the development of OGL are still kicking it around the industry, and have been quite happy to talk about those early days and the creation of the OGL, so I will not try to put too many words into their mouths, a quick googling will find you a plethora of recountings by these folks, who were actually there.)
    In the midst of all this, somewhere around September of 1999, Hasbro purchases WotC, and tosses it into its warchest, and largely ignores the weird little company on the other side of the country, as the profits keep filling the coffers.
    2000, D&D 3rd Edition is released.  More hand waving here – The OGL is birthed into the wild, 3rd party publishers expand the game and the hobby to untold heights. As the old adage goes: a rising tide raises all ships.
    There's a few editions, an attempt at a different license, a handful of other controversies, but over all, nothing too earthshaking. So we will again hand wave away a lot of those details, as those stories again are better suited to their own telling, and so we skip ahead to just a few years back.
    December 2017, Wallstreet Corpo-Scum, Connor Haley, founds Alta Fox Capital Management and sets his eyes on Hasbro. By somewhere near the end 2020, Alta Fox owns ~3% of all outstanding Hasbro stock, and begins laying the foundations for a Hostile Takeover of Hasbro.
    …insert the opening bars of CCR’s Fortunate Son here…
    11:46am, February 17th, 2022 Haley makes a bold, aggressive move. Alta Fox doesn't fire shots across the bow of Hasbro; they Roll for Initiative.
    Alta Fox nominates 5 of it’s members to Hasbro’s 11 member Board of Directors, while simultaneously launching a campaign called “Free the Wizards” – A marketing campaign to fellow shareholders that details out Alta Fox’s thorough research into Hasbro’s business segments. The propaganda piece quite succinctly articulates a strategy to spin WotC off from Hasbro, and that suggests this new WotC’s valuation would easily be equal to, if not more than current Hasbro’s valuation alone. More than doubling the shareholders money overnight.
    (Alta Fox’s 100 slide power point indictment of the Hasbro BoD is incredibly compelling, and from my layman’s view in the cheap seats, there is not a lot for me to disagree with.)
    In one violently-strategic, lunch-time email, Hasbro has gone from politely ignoring its core products & consumers for twenty-odd years, into an all-out Corporate War, with WotC being the battleground and D&D/MtG becoming the weapons. The community is, as always, the collateral damage.
    To fight off this seizure of the Board, Hasbro has to deliver substantial returns to it’s investors, or risk the shareholders forcing the split. It must prove that it can effectively monetize Wizards, and quickly! - Not just Profit, but MORE PROFIT. More more more more. - Did we already talk about unchecked growth and cancer?
    April 13th, 2022  - WotC announces that it has bought D&D Beyond.  - It Has Begun.
    Wall-Street rides for the Tabletop Industry, and Hell rides with it!  
    Hasbro/WotC unleashes aggressive “Vertical Integration”, buying up licensees, negotiating backroom deals with periphery financiers such as Kickstarter, drafting a new OGL and new strategy to tax (royalties, licensing fees, etc) or buy out the entire down stream markets – in short, Hasbro has gone Full Perelman in an attempt to fight off Alta Fox’s onslaught.
    Make no mistake, the D&D Beyond acquisition, The new OGL, the licensing deals with Streamers, the Kickstarter royalty, the Paramount TV series, the VTT development, these are all just bloody engagements in a proxy war of nuclear proportions – and in my humble opinion, no matter who "wins", they will leave the landscape of the industry and the hobby decimated in the toxic fallout.
    -TJ
    PS:
    I do want to say that there have been a lot of posts going 'round suggesting folks call on WotC, call their offices and voice opinions. But keep in mind that WotC Employees are not calling the shots in this war, they are just following orders and doing their damnest to survive a hellish circumstance.
    .. it aint them, it aint them, they aint no fortunate ones...

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    Post by Ross Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:33 pm

    The best-case scenario is that D&D becomes such a liability to Hasbro that it gets sold to a company or group that will run it properly, and with some dignity.

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    Post by Teramotos Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:21 pm

    ..and if you have not heard, WoTC has confirmed they will NOT retract the OGL 1.0. Hasbro also announced today that they will be laying off 15% of thier staff which is about 1,000 employees.

    All of the DnD channels are celebrating, but I'm thinking WoTC has suffered damage that is close to unrepairable as many gaming groups have decided to switch RPGs, are considering switching to a different RPG, and many have already purchased competitor materials. Paizo reportedly sold eight months worth of books in the last two weeks and cannot keep up with demand. Other RPG companies (not WoTC) have experienced similar upsurges in sales. WoTC has succeeded in driving a huge percentage of the RPG community to consider, or try, or purchase, or totally switch games when in many cases, those gaming groups would not have.

    I'm thinking the only way they can rescue thier brand is to hire great creators and put out great product that adds value to our gaming experience w/o stamping on the other great creators out there. WoTC has to out compete the other creators, not curtain them.


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    Post by Ross Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:08 pm

    Since DnDBeyond has lost so many players they should just make owned Campaign Setting properties using other rulesets, like Pathfinder 2, SavageWorlds, Gurps, Etc. They would sell more and not have to babysit the ruleset. The market would be unlimited and with the new ORC Licensing, it will be 100% legal.

    I mean look at the properties they could be publishing. It's a gold mine.
    Birthright
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    Council of Wyrms
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    Dragonlance
    Eberron
    Forgotten Realms
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    Maztica
    Ghostwalk
    Greyhawk
    Jakandor
    Magic: The Gathering planes
    Ravnica
    Theros
    Strixhaven
    Mahasarpa
    Mystara
    Hollow World
    Red Steel / Savage Coast
    Thunder Rift
    Nentir Vale
    Pelinore
    Planescape
    Ravenloft
    Spelljammer

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