Sahuagin room

The party has agreed to hunt down the Charnal Lord for Camnon of the Arboreans.

First stop, the "fishmen" water room...

What will be the order of the party as then enter the room from the ettin "pit" room? The same as when entering the "vine" room?

Yes, let's do that same order to make it easy.

Yeah, same order is fine.

Ken, unless otherwise stated, let's make that order our SOP.
Miri from the rear of the party will make an extra attempt to watch our back to see if the Quicklings try to follow/spy on us.

From the ettin "pit" room the party goes down the stairs to the west.
You go down 20' and come to a door. Thia checks for traps quietly and is easily able to unlock the door. Thia then moves back to the back of the party...

Kaddim and Quinn open the door and see a room full of water, the water is about 10' below the stairs. There is a rope bridge that extends about 50' to a platform that is at the water level (the bridge slopes down to the platform).

It is quiet and you don't see anything.

The current initiative order is:
Candelos
Thia
Sonya
Quinn
Kaddim
Miri

Candelos, your turn...

Everyone delay until after me. I will run across the bridge and see if anything appears. Or do whatever you want.

Since I am in the back, unless I see something I will delay until after the people in front go.

...if Quinn wants to run across the bridge, I'll delay...

I'll delay

Quinn runs across the bridge...

As he's about to reach the platform he hears the most bueatuful song coming from the south (20 vs Will miss). Quinn is pulled to the south into the water and disapears from view SPLASH... (missed his saving throw) and immobilized save ends.

The rest of the party wouldn't see this part (the water is pretty murky)...
While underwater Quinn is attacked
31 vs AC hits for 7hp.
27 vs AC hits for 12hp

At the end of Quinns turn he has to make a saving throw and a skill check
Save vs Immobilized 18 success.
Endurance check 12 failure, Quinn looses a healing surge

Quinn is at 48/67hp 8/11 surges
(Note: during your short rest after visiting Camnon I had Quinn use two surges to get back to max, Candelos used one surge, Kaddim didn't use a surge, but is down 8hp.)

Kaddim's turn, though those delaying can elect to take their turns...

Second note:
Quinn and Candelos are still not feeling 100%...
Currently -2 Will defense
Forgot Sonya made her save...
https://nwgamers.forumotion.com/online-role-play-gaming-f14/questioning-nathan-and-co-t257-30.htm (post #1)

I will let Kaddim and Candelos go first into the room and then I will move to the edge of the room and look to see where Quinn fell in or something to shoot.

Ken wrote: Kaddim's turn, though those delaying can elect to take their turns...

...if multiple people are delaying, then they get an opportunity to take their turn in the order of initiative...

Teramotos wrote:

Ken wrote: Kaddim's turn, though those delaying can elect to take their turns...

...if multiple people are delaying, then they get an opportunity to take their turn in the order of initiative...

K, it looks like we're back to the top then.

Candelos, Thia, then Sonya..

Put sword away and go across using the rope

Map please.

Ross wrote:Map please.

The map hasn't changed since the last one I posted (other than Quinn taking a swim). He wasn't able to relay any information of what he saw.

If Quinn surfaces or others advance I'll post a new one.

Here's what Candelos sees:


Candelos, you can't see Quinn very well, but see lots of splashing in the location where his picture is. You can see two dark shapes under the water flanking Quinn (north/south).

Sonya's turn, then Kaddim..

Yes! When in doubt send in the stupid fighter. I like it. Now please save me.

David wrote:Yes! When in doubt send in the stupid fighter. I like it. Now please save me.

Yea, that's one way to get the monsters attention...

The underwater rules are a lot easier than in previous editions. A PC in armor almost always died when submerged. Now you get a skill check each round you take damage (or every couple of rounds if no damage is taken). If you fail, you loose a healing surge.

Did we hear the music from the South?

Regardless I will move to the west of Candelos.

Yes, the party would have heard the song. The rest of the party was not in the affected area.

As soon as Sonya moves/takes her turn, I'll move Kaddim forward.

Free Action: Say "Hold on Quinn, I'll throw you a rope!"
Free Action: Drop waraxe in hallway.
Minor Action: Pull out rope from standard adventurer's kit
Standard Action: Throw rope (while holding onto one end) in Quinn's direction
Move Action: If it is a move action to tie the end I'm holding w a simple overhand knot to the bridge I'll do so. If this is a std action, I'll wrap the rope around my arm and use my hand to pull out my normal hand axe. Let me know...

Done...

Teramotos wrote:Free Action: Say "Hold on Quinn, I'll throw you a rope!"
Free Action: Drop waraxe in hallway.
Minor Action: Pull out rope from standard adventurer's kit
Standard Action: Throw rope (while holding onto one end) in Quinn's direction
Move Action: If it is a move action to tie the end I'm holding w a simple overhand knot to the bridge I'll do so. If this is a std action, I'll wrap the rope around my arm and use my hand to pull out my normal hand axe. Let me know...

Done...

The rope is 50' long and Sonya is 20' away from the water. The point where Quinn went into the water is 90' away from Sonya's current position.

Also, to throw the rope horizontally, you'll need to tie a weight to the end you're throwing. I don't think the rope will go beneath the surface of the water either without a weight.

Sonya can spend this turn retrieving the rope and preparing it for use next turn.

Kaddim moves west of Candelos.
Miri's turn...

Okay, my fault for not looking at the map better. I only read the part where it said Quinn was about the reach the platform and fell in, I didn't infer that to mean less than 5' short of the platform.

Yep, I know the rope is only 50' long. After my standard action of trying to throw the 50' rope more than double it's length, I would have seen that it was way short and could I then revise my move action to just reel the rope back in? Better yet, if it was so obvious that I was too far away to reach Quinn with the rope, could I revise my standard action to tie the rope to my non-magic hand axe and then my move action would be to move 5 squares on the bridge toward Quinn? Let me know...

Yes, Sonya would have known better...

Sonya ties one end of the rope to a non-magical handaxe, then moves 5 squares ahead.

Thanks Ken, ya never know, her wisdom is 8 and her charisma is 19; it could have been a blonde moment except her hair is red. Miri's turn

Miri's turn...

Dwarmaj wrote:Miri's turn...

Miri will move 4 squares W to the doorway (or 5 squares W inside the room if I can't see anything) and try out her new bracers to Magic Missle the closest sea creature attacking Quinn. If she has no shot, she'll ready action the same until she can see something.
Free action: "Where's the singing coming from?"
done.

Candelos and Kaddim can tell you that they can barely see the creature fighting Quinn and couldn't see them until they were within 30'.

Dwarmaj wrote:Candelos and Kaddim can tell you that they can barely see the creature fighting Quinn and couldn't see them until they were within 30'.

Alright, Miri will do a move and a move (12 squares) W as her standard & move action, minor action, wrap an arm or leg around the rope of the bridge. done.

Fishmen's turn:
Kaddim and Candelos see a dark shape to the NW. From that location the party sees what looks like a ghostly shark fly out of the water and attack Candelos.

Bite 27 vs Will hits for 16hp of damage. Candelos is now -2 to all defenses and has 5 ongoing damage. (actually 20 vs Will on Candelos -2 for concealment and -5 from his cloak. Still a hit.)

The ghostly form disappears.

The shadowy form in the water swims west, then out of sight south.

Quinn is now surrounded by three fishmen. Each uses a trident to attack Quinn
#1 trident 20 vs AC miss
#2 trident 32 vs AC hits for 10hp
#8 trident 34 vs AC hits for 13hp (Quinn is now bloodied)



Quinn's turn, then Candelos

Candelos is currently at 44/65hp and 13/14 surges. I initially posted he was full up after the Camnon meeting, but he was at 60/65. I didn't spend a surge for Candelos, just like I didn't for Kaddim how was down 8 from max.

DM Notes:
Creatures in the water are hard to see. You must be within 6 squares to see them.

Creatures out of the water are at -2 to hit creatures in the water due to concealment.

Creatures submerged in the water are at -2 to hit creatures out of the water due to concealment.

Hey Ken, I got an alert about Malware when I went to your image hosting site.

It sent me here:
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Ross wrote:Hey Ken, I got an alert about Malware when I went to your image hosting site.

It sent me here:
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Hmm, I'm using the "Host an Image" button when posting. It's probably a popup that is generated when you go to the site.

I occasionaly get popup from the image site and from the banners off of the message board.

I have all pop ups disabled, and this is the first time I had it come up.

I try to get out and if I have a attack that hits all three I will use that. Otherwise if I can get an attack off cleave works.

David wrote:I try to get out and if I have a attack that hits all three I will use that. Otherwise if I can get an attack off cleave works.

Quinn is underwater 10'. To get out will require an Athletics (swim) check and you'll provoke an AoO from each enemy. You'll need two move actions to get onto the platform and out of the water.

Quinn will also not be able to swim while holding his sword. (minor action to stow or free action to drop).

Quinn is also -2 to attacks while under water. Spears and Crossbows don't have the penalty while underwater.

So, do you want to:
1 Use a move/move to get out and take the AoOs.
2. Attack and move to the surface and take AoO.
3. Just attack.

Oh, and the "fishmen" mark on a hit so you'd be marked by the last one that hit you.

Shift to the surface then after doing cleave then so I am not holding my breath.

David, you can't shift if you're swimming up. It will be a move action. As such, you're Cleaving with your standard and then using a move action to get to the surface?

Probably best to be at the surface anyway so you can catch the rope, hear and see Sonya for words of courage and inspiration and such. You do have an action point if you want to use it now...with three baddies around you, might be a good time...

The DMG (p45) list some rules for fighting in 3 deminsions and list aerial and underwater as examples.

I think shifting up when flying or swimming should be allowed, if creature has the mobility. Should only creatures with a swim speed be allowed to shift under water?

Personally... I think he could use a move action to shift up 5' by making a swim check (athletics DC10 in calm water)

hmmm...okay, for now, I'm okay with making a swim check to shift. DC 10 is fine.

Looks like Ross found the rule (p292 PHB), so no shifting allowed upward.

I'll resolve Quinn's action when I get back from picking up the kids...
Quinn will attack (cleave), then move up to the surface.

Candelos is next...

Minor, use armor to push all enemies away.
Move, swim to surface,
Standard get onto even ground
Action Point use Healing surge to give me higher defenses and heal some of the HP (I really hate useing an action point for this but I think I am going to need higher defenses)

Another good use of the armor. (though one thing I'm not sure about is if you can shriek while holding your breath underwater). I'm going to have Quinn roll a skill check for suffocation (endurance check 18, miss) Quinn is charged a healing surge.

Quinn uses a standard/move to get to the surface. He can now tell the party that he sees two "bird ladies" one to the north and one to the south.

Quinn uses an AP to get back 16hp he's now at 41/67 with 6/11 surges remaining.

Candelos' turn, then Thia and Sonya

Move 5 spaces to spot North of Quinn.
Pull out sword. I think I had dagger out already.

I have gotten Malware virus from the forum a couple of months age. I think it was the same one.

When Candelos enters the platofrm where Quinn is the harpy to the north sings
vs Candelos 22 vs Will hit. Candelos is pulled 3 squares to the water (save vs falling in 14). Candelos is now prone on the platform. (immobilized save ends)

vs Quinn 20 vs Will hit. Quinn is pulled to the edge of the platform. (immobilized save ends)



At the start of Candelos' turn he took 5 from ongoing damage. He is now at 39/65 hp.
At the end of his turn he had to make two saves.
vs Immobilized 14 made it
vs ongoing damage and -2 to defenses 20 made it.

Mickey, I think Candelos still has a standard action left. He can stand... or heal.
Let me know.

Two things, one did you take into account my higher defenses from second wind and two isn't it my armor that shreiks and not me?

David wrote:Two things, one did you take into account my higher defenses from second wind and two isn't it my armor that shreiks and not me?

Second Wind gives you +2 to all defenses, but you're -2 Will from your fever. The harpy hit you with 20 vs Will and Quinns Will defense is 17.
17+2-2=17

The description of the armor states: "You shriek and your armor shrieks with you, pushing all adjacent enemies 1 square.

Yes heal would would good