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    Post by Kenji Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:13 am

    Gloom Thief grants invisibility while within 2 of the target. If your move from 2-3 squares away is within an enemies threat, does that provoke an AoO?

    Here's the situation...

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    Blade Gloom Thief'd the badly wounded Vamp, then moved through Ember's square to get N of Vamp by window, moving through Ember's square 2 away, to where he is now, turning visible as he left Ember's square since it's out of range of Gloom Thief. Is this an AoO or not?

    Note: Blade's stealth beat the baddies passive perception while invisible
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    Post by Ross Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:44 am

    Sorry, I meant to say I was teleporting.


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    Post by Kenji Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:47 am

    That clarifies this action, but the same question at large still lingers...

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    Post by Ross Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:55 am

    I believe when he got 3 squares away he would become visible, then if he left the 3rd square that would provoke an AoO as if I started in that 3rd square.


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    Post by Kenji Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:34 am

    Ross wrote:I believe when he got 3 squares away he would become visible, then if he left the 3rd square that would provoke an AoO as if I started in that 3rd square.

    I can see it that way. The wording says "as long as within 2", so I can also see it as turning visible as you're leaving square 2, so going into square 3 would provoke. I'm not sure I like the wording...
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    Post by Teramotos Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:16 pm

    If to make the AoO you must be able to target the enemy and if the creature wanting to make the AoO cannot target the (PC) as the PC is currently invisible and hidden; having a stealth check that beat the (monster's) perception, then I'd say "No", an AoO is not allowed. I agree with the notion that you would become visible as you entered the 3rd square so the PC would still be invisible and hidden when they were two squares away.

    Rules Compendium pg 313 Invisible - ...(an invisible creature) doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity...

    Rules Compendium pg 246 Opportunity Attack - ...Trigger: An enemy you can SEE (my caps) either leaves a square adjacent to you or uses a ranged...



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