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    Can you push an enemy through an ally's square?

    Dwarmaj
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    Post by Dwarmaj Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:23 pm

    If the allies let them through, can you push someone through an ally's square?


    Under Push, Pull, Slide:
    Clear Path: Forced movement can’t move a target into a space it couldn’t enter by walking. The target
    can’t be forced into an obstacle or made to squeeze into a space.
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    Post by Teramotos Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:01 pm

    I'd say yes. The reason I say yes is that if a PC were to allow a monster to move through the PC's square, the monster could, right? If this is true, then the PC's square is a square that the monster could enter (but not end his turn in).

    So, if there is forced movement imposed on the monster and the allied PC's square is a square the monster could enter by walking, then the monster could be pushed through the allied PC's square (but could not end its turn there).


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    Post by Kenji Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:22 pm

    Teramotos wrote:I'd say yes.

    I like that ruling...
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    Post by Ross Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:23 pm

    No, you can't move an enemy through occupied squares of your allies. However, based on this information I think you can move an enemy through his fellow enemies squares. And in the same reasoning a monster could move a PC through another PC's square.

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    Occupied Squares
    Ally: You can move through a square occupied by an ally.

    Enemy: You normally can’t move through an enemy’s space unless that enemy is helpless or two size categories larger or smaller than you. Moving into a nonhelpless enemy’s space provokes an opportunity attack from that enemy, because you left a square adjacent to the enemy. (Some powers let you move through an enemy’s square without provoking an opportunity attack.)


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    Kazoo the Kender: "Hmm, I'll take....the Wand of Wonder." The rest of the party regretted giving Kazoo the first treasure pick.
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    Post by Ross Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:24 pm

    Also, when moving through an Ally's square it doesn't say you have to get permission, therefore your free to move through your friend's square regardless of if he allows you to or not.


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    CHARACTERS:

    Silk - Human/Hexblade [4e-Dark Nights Rising Campaign]
    Kazoo - Halfling(Kender)/Hybrid(Rogue/Druid) [4e-Against the Giants]
    Morbius Von Kas - Vryloka/Blackguard [4e-Rainbow Warriors Campaign]
    Man'Tis Man'Todea - Thri-Kreen/Berserker [4e-Slave Lords Campaign]
    Nathan Grey - Ardent (4e-Terran One Campaign)
    Walt Dixon - Bladesinger (4e-Terran One Campaign)
    Shandral Aurlong - Human/Sorcerer [5e-Horde of the Dragon Queen Campaign]
    Danilo Rand - Monk/Human [5e-Princes of the Apocalypse Campaign]
    Battlefield Soldier: Saturnicus
    Diablo III Battletag: Saturnus#1572
    Neverwinter: @bobpatrick.com
    XBox GamerTag: Drizityn


    Kazoo the Kender: "Hmm, I'll take....the Wand of Wonder." The rest of the party regretted giving Kazoo the first treasure pick.
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    Post by Dwarmaj Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:29 pm

    Ross wrote:Also, when moving through an Ally's square it doesn't say you have to get permission, therefore your free to move through your friend's square regardless of if he allows you to or not.


    Hmm, then should the bards power in the last adventure been able to slide the drivers through the ranged attackers squares off of their chariots?
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    Post by Kenji Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:09 pm

    Dwarmaj wrote:
    Hmm, then should the bards power in the last adventure been able to slide the drivers through the ranged attackers squares off of their chariots?

    Hey, that's right!
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    Post by Ross Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:24 pm

    Yes, and all the slide effects I had also would have worked.


    _________________
    CHARACTERS:

    Silk - Human/Hexblade [4e-Dark Nights Rising Campaign]
    Kazoo - Halfling(Kender)/Hybrid(Rogue/Druid) [4e-Against the Giants]
    Morbius Von Kas - Vryloka/Blackguard [4e-Rainbow Warriors Campaign]
    Man'Tis Man'Todea - Thri-Kreen/Berserker [4e-Slave Lords Campaign]
    Nathan Grey - Ardent (4e-Terran One Campaign)
    Walt Dixon - Bladesinger (4e-Terran One Campaign)
    Shandral Aurlong - Human/Sorcerer [5e-Horde of the Dragon Queen Campaign]
    Danilo Rand - Monk/Human [5e-Princes of the Apocalypse Campaign]
    Battlefield Soldier: Saturnicus
    Diablo III Battletag: Saturnus#1572
    Neverwinter: @bobpatrick.com
    XBox GamerTag: Drizityn


    Kazoo the Kender: "Hmm, I'll take....the Wand of Wonder." The rest of the party regretted giving Kazoo the first treasure pick.
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    Post by Teramotos Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:36 pm

    So the final answer is that you can slide monsters through other monster's squares and PCs through other PC's squares.


    _________________
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    Sonya Morecut (Human Warlord) - SG1
    Whey Baker (Human Fighter) - SG1
    Archemedies - (Githyanki Artificer) - Slave Ship
    Alysa Redfield (Human Archer Warlord) - Dark Nights Rising
    Ross
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    Number of posts : 3868
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    Post by Ross Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:38 pm

    Seems that way based on the wording.


    _________________
    CHARACTERS:

    Silk - Human/Hexblade [4e-Dark Nights Rising Campaign]
    Kazoo - Halfling(Kender)/Hybrid(Rogue/Druid) [4e-Against the Giants]
    Morbius Von Kas - Vryloka/Blackguard [4e-Rainbow Warriors Campaign]
    Man'Tis Man'Todea - Thri-Kreen/Berserker [4e-Slave Lords Campaign]
    Nathan Grey - Ardent (4e-Terran One Campaign)
    Walt Dixon - Bladesinger (4e-Terran One Campaign)
    Shandral Aurlong - Human/Sorcerer [5e-Horde of the Dragon Queen Campaign]
    Danilo Rand - Monk/Human [5e-Princes of the Apocalypse Campaign]
    Battlefield Soldier: Saturnicus
    Diablo III Battletag: Saturnus#1572
    Neverwinter: @bobpatrick.com
    XBox GamerTag: Drizityn


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