Gobekli Tepe

Yes, that's the gist of the 90 min video. The US Government, in an effort to kill off most of the US population is conducting hundreds of flights daily that are dispersing AL and other toxic metals that will (over time) kill all of us. The levels are upwards of 65K time what is considered safe. The obserable evidence is that there are jet contrails that linger in the air whereas normal jet contrails disipate quickly. The video says that there are far more contrails now than in recent years, there are measurably high levels of these metals on the ground - water - in people - in plants, the sky "appears" more hazy than before. There are a number of scientists w Phd's that were interviewed in the video that provided support for the video's claims. It was interesting and invoked quite a number of questions (in my mind).

Krystoff wrote:Didn't watch the video but what is the gist of the claim? That the jet vapor trails are releasing toxic metals into the air?

...That there is a difference between 'contrails' and 'chemtrails'. Contrails are condensation clouds that dissipate after a couple minutes, and the lines observed last for hours. Increased frequency doesn't fit well to explain why these lines last so long in the sky. Your summary is partially accurate, but they appear to not be vapor trails (contrails) at all.

I haven't done much research at all but here is a site that explains the length of contrails. Interesting to see the comments/discussion about it,

http://contrailscience.com/how-long-do-contrails-last/

I do have to ask though what is the end game? Why would they try to poison people?

"The above is a simplification, as other factors like temperature, pressure, and sunlight have an effect."

The vid I posted goes into a lot of detail (that I can't explain well) that examines these 'other factors' not explained in this simplification. When we add in all the details we know, there are contradictions to what we know of contrails.

http://contrailscience.com/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying/

...from the link that Krystoff provided, here's an explanation regarding the initial video "What Are They Spraying"...

http://www.truththeory.org/pyramids-of-waste/

Well done documentary on planned obsolesence. Did you know that early lightbulb designers made lightbulbs that could last (on continually) for 100 years? That wasn't good for profits, so they're not sold anymore. Very interesting...

Many things can be built to last a lot longer but aren't. No profit in that.

Ross wrote:Many things can be built to last a lot longer but aren't. No profit in that.

Yes, the doc actually talks about a couple of them, not just lightbulbs. Don't you agree that's a pretty inefficient way of doing things? The irritating thing is that it's all design, not materials. It costs the same to produce either, and actually took extensively more R&D to design the ones we have now lasting only a few months versus decades.

It depends on your goal. If your the producer and you want to make money then it's very efficient to make the item have a limited lifetime.
The state can design and make roads that last a lot longer than they do, but don't, so they can have more jobs and suppliers working.

Ross wrote:It depends on your goal. If your the producer and you want to make money then it's very efficient to make the item have a limited lifetime.

Yes, but that's a very myopic perspective, since profit is just one factor to consider. We're not also considering the waste of Human time (labor), material costs of replacements, etc. When we take in the whole picture, it's pretty inefficient, right?

Ross wrote:The state can design and make roads that last a lot longer than they do, but don't, so they can have more jobs and suppliers working.

Yes, this is exactly the inefficiency that I'm talking about, and to your point, it's everywhere. We purposely design crap that keeps Humans toiling. The monetary system is deeply, deeply flawed. Fortunately, we won't have to worry about it much longer...

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/david_christian_big_history.html

Excellent 18 min video explaining the history of our universe.

Getting back to designing things that last longer...if you're the designer of something large and complex, a car, or even better, a large aircraft, then if you can have a part that lasts for the lifetime of the airplane that doesn't cost any more, why wouldn't you choose that part?? If you can prove that your 130 seat airplane costs the same out the gate as the other guy's 130 seat airplane but yours is way cheaper to maintain, hey, you'll sell a lot more airplanes than the other guy. I will make the point that it doesn't make sense to design a part that won't last longer than the airplane is expected to be flying. In other words, for AL skin aircraft, once metal fatigue has set in and it begins to cost more to inspect and repair the plane, then you can bet just a ton of other parts are nearing the end of thier life also.

Big history...collective learning. Brad, I must say, this was a very well put together and presented video. It was educational and well worth watching. Thanks for sharing.

http://www.ted.com/talks/robert_sapolsky_the_uniqueness_of_humans.html

Amazingly well researched & insightful comparison of Human Animal behavior. 40 mins

Teramotos wrote:...if you can have a part that lasts for the lifetime of the airplane that doesn't cost any more, why wouldn't you choose that part??...

I'm going to go out on a limb here & guess you didn't watch the film. (It addressed this point very well imo)

...no, I did watch the film and I am asserting that in some cases, it makes perfect sense to choose the part that lasts longer and that's what we do choose. Competition drives out the lesser product. If Boeing always selected the Suppliers that offered the part that wore out faster, then the maintenance cost for a Boeing product would be a lot higher than our competitors and after a while, no airline would buy a Boeing product. I'm pointing out that I DID watch the video and that I understand the point it is making and that I DON'T agree that thier view of the world is accurate under all circumstances.

Taken to the extreme, why doesn't Ford make a car that only lasts two months? ...because after a while, NO ONE WOULD EVER BUY ANOTHER ONE. So, to say that Ford, or any other company would always, and purposefully design a product with built in obsolesence is false. There are times when some companies do so (I would venture to say it is those with little or no competition in thier market) and there are time when they attempt to offer the very best product they can.

Teramotos wrote:...no, I did watch the film...

Then you missed the part about how cartels work. The film did not, however, suggest that EVERY industry is controlled by cartels...

If you remember just a decade or 2 ago, everyone started buying Japanese cars because of their longevity. If it wasn't for their competition American cars wouldn't have stepped up to sell better cars. Nowadays the majority of autos are on a more balanced level when comparing how long they can run.

I would say as a buyer for Boeing I'm sure you know that your not trying to buy parts that are crap, however you are trying to buy a part that will get the job done for as little cost as you can get. The parts maker is trying to make part as cheaply as possible, which usually means cutting corners or using cheaper materials. So Boeing may not be trying to make planes that have a limited shelf life, however it just happens that way because they want to produce a plane as cheaply as possible.

http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil.html

Caution: very disturbing images & subject matter, but an excelent analysis of good/evil behaviour and where it comes from.

http://www.truththeory.org/into-the-fire/

Very well done documentary looking into the police actions of the Toronto G20 Summit last year. 10,000 riot officers were brought in and 'arrested' (kidnapped) 1,100 people... We live in an exciting time of great changes if we're open to see what's going on. 2 hrs long though...

http://www.truththeory.org/into-the-fire/

I don't know what to make of this... I like how the narrator admits that he doesn't either.

http://www.truththeory.org/end-civ-resist-or-die/

Insightful look at the environmental movements. I loved the 'Star Wars' analogy...

Here's a synopsis broken down of H.R. 1540...

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/05/15/congress-vote-declaration-world-war-3-endless-war-borders-clear-enemies-22785/

If you want to see the actual text of the bill itself, be prepared, it's 387 pages of lawyer speak...

http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=61e9d0d1-581b-4204-ba0e-f601878bc710

Is a bigger picture starting to form for anyone yet??...

...clearly the checks and balances would be out of balance if this passes.

http://www.truththeory.org/cancer-the-forbidden-cures/

Very eye opening insight into the business of cancer.

http://nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=620

Pinter won the Nobel Prize for literature in 2005 and this is his acceptance speech (prerecorded). Great lecture (though the first 8 mins or so are slower, the last 1/2 hour is absolutely excellent!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EoqjzaasRI&list=PLC0300E7FEC9AD26B&feature=player_embedded

...I don't recommend going into any Police Station and asking generally for a complaint form! ...Or participating in any peaceful demonstration. Or asking about 'Posse Comitatus', calling them when you need help,...

...oh man, the segment on police being brutal is completely BS. With the huge number of police nation wide, there are bound to be examples of some that are brutal/ bad. If you're at all trying to make a case that anytime anyone calls the police for help that the police are going to brutally assault you in your own home or take you back to the station and assault you there OR that for every large, peaceful public gathering a troop of riot police are going to show up and arrest everyone, well...that's beyond belief. Yes, there may be cases where these thing have happened but if you're at all attempting to put forth the position that these kind of incidences are the usual, common place occuranced and the SOP of the vast majority of law enforcement officers, then I have to ask you for additional clairification...

test it out & tell me... pick a station and innocently ask for a complaint form. Let me know if they give you one with no hassles....

It's like everything else. The out of the norm stuff makes news. The boring stuff gets overlooked. The .01% of the activity causes 99.99% of laws and rules.
One person does something and they make a law to make sure it doesn't happen again, depending on who makes the loudest noise.

The next time you're coming back from a funeral, dressed in a $2,500.00 imported black business suit, stop in at the small neighborhood sherrif's office that's next to the road. Check your FB wall, that's Wow Wow in the picture.

Teramotos wrote:The next time you're coming back from a funeral, dressed in a $2,500.00 imported black business suit...

Do you think that made any difference? So, no hassles I take it?

hmmm...well groomed professional looking business man in a very nice, quiet neighborhood in the middle of the day might have different results than a teenager in torn, dirty jeans, who stinks, and goes to a large urban station at night that's in a "rough" neighborhood.

You may be right there. I hope you didn't have to leave your name or any contact info. Maybe you should try it again as above to see. But just as the light bulb link, my position is that these are prevelent, but not absolutes. I'm mildly surprised still that even in these ideal circumstances they didn't question you at all...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A

Very well presented 13 min explanation of society to consider. Very well done.

...waking up yet?

Find me some 1 or 2 minute videos and I'll have time to watch them.

Ross wrote:Find me some 1 or 2 minute videos and I'll have time to watch them.

Pretend I just found you half a dozen.

...so, regarding the "police state" video, a Seattle Police Officer, whom I have known nearly my entire life and who has as high a degree of integrity of anyone I would recommend, indicates that many of the larger stations in Seattle have cameras on the public service desk 24/7 and that any public relations office that is rude in anyway to anyone who approaches the desk to ask a question is at high risk for disiplinary action as all of those interactions are recorded.

Now, I assume that you (Brad) may take the position that my friend is lying because he has been corrupted by the system but I present his statement here as an alternate position for consideration.

Information from the internet, no matter how reasonable it may sound, does not mean in any way that such information is true. IOW, just because something makes sense and sounds perfectly reasonable, does not make it factual. Actual personal experience is the very best form of evidence/ proof of truth. I try not to trust "experts", tradition, and heresay. Call me a doubter.

Your crazy Stu.
Everyone knows everything on the internet is true. I know because I just wrote it on here, and this forum is on the internet. Thus it's true. You just can't beat that logic...at least that's what all the crazies say.

Teramotos wrote:...Now, I assume that you (Brad) may take the position that my friend is lying...

You'd be incorrect. I don't take anything on faith (or belief).

Teramotos wrote:...Actual personal experience is the very best form of evidence/ proof of truth. I try not to trust "experts", tradition, and heresay...

...and "common knowledge". I find the "well everybody knows that"-type 'facts' pretty worthless too.

I've been using this thread to both share with you all, and save in one spot, links to all the information that many won't even consider, I realize, but regardless of whether or not any of you agree with my convictions, or even if my convictions ultimately prove to be incorrect, I have never trusted "experts, tradition, & hearsay". That's kind of an insulting way to dismiss the info I've been learning about & want to share.

Look at my feelings towards how martial arts is taught as an example... Before I started taking classes, when did anyone hear me grouse about how much crap was in MA? (I'm going to guess never, not once) My first MA class I took was Kendo from a VERY high degree black belt. (You know Gary) and he is by any/every definition an 'expert' (and he taught me a hell of a lot!). He'll still remember me, I'm sure, and can tell you how I rank even his "expertise", and "tradition" compared to my first hand personal experience, of a friend & I who basically self taught ourselves swordfighting from Star Wars, et al.

...And then I groused about how rigid KENDO was, not all MA, and have since taken introductory classes in around 2 dozen different schools/styles over the next few years trying to find a good fit, see for myself what works. It was only after I garnered all that PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that I started grousing about MA in general. Expertise, tradition, and hearsay all directly contradict my views.


Same with everything I've posted here... It's all weighed against my personal experiences. As others are waking up quickly now, I'm confident you'll all begin to see what I've been trying to show. Yes, I was hoping some of you would wake up sooner than later, but that's only part of the reason I've been sharing links here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7GJ-8SY068

Here's a great 11 min clip about 'sacred geometry'. It's amazing how everything comes down to math.

"All life is biology,
all biology is chemistry,
all chemistry is physics,
all physics is math."

Life & the whole universe can be explained & better understood with fairly simply math concepts. We live an an amazing world...

http://www.truththeory.org/the-revelation-of-the-pyramids/

Great documentary series on pyramids narrated by Brian Cox. Lots of hard to explain things presented...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ

This makes a lot of scientific enigmas make sense. A great 10 min watch.

http://www.truththeory.org/return-to-source-philosophy-and-%e2%80%98the-matrix%e2%80%99/

Alright guys, I thought this whole thing was really good & right on! This is the first of 7 parts for the whole thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3SOlXxUBLk&feature=relmfu

Ron Paul, Republican candidate for president speaking with Mike Maloney on the impending crisis with the dollar and why investing in gold and silver makes sense. IMHO, Mr. Paul is the only candidate who has a monetary policy that I, as an economist, agree with.

http://www.truththeory.org/aerosol-crimes/

Still think that's just water vapor?

Not too many groups could be behind something like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gsqZkL1nNBo

http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/monopoly-money.jpg

Monopoly Money...
Ha!! I wouldn't have believed it until I pulled actual bills out of my wallet and then looked at money from the old monopoly set.

Now, the $100 isn't on here but there's a brand new, yet to be released $100, and guess what color it is? Yep, just like the monopoly bill. Hmmm...in monopoly there's a $500.00 bill - haven't seen one of those in circulation in the US for years - they were discontinued. Maybe the Federal Reserve and the Treasury will have to bring back the $500 because they think we'll have a bit more inflation than the 2% the BLS keeps telling us we're at.

Oh, the $100 in monopoly is a light gold color and the $500 is dark gold, wonder if someone is trying to tell us something?