Breeze's lair...

Mick wrote:I don't know the rule that well but how does she get a suprise round?...

I think that's right. She started the action, so gets a standard action only for her surprise round, and that's what the rest of us are reacting to. She must also have a screaming high init is all...

...both sides are aware of the other, so I agree, no "surprise" round, although she does get to go first in the initiative order.

Yes both sides are aware of the other, but the action has to start somewhere.

Since she is initiating the first attack
Either she gets a surprise round (one standard action which she used to teleport)

or

Initiative is rolled and anyone before her doesn't get a turn and she starts at the top.

She did happen to roll the highest (+10 Initiative) and goes first.

The party is aware of her and even thinks there may be a battle coming up, but if we rolled initiative and the party rolled higher was the party going to attack first or wait for them to make a move?

Candelos seem to be the only one stated he was ready for a attack. The smallest flinch would have sent him in to battle. If he would have rolled higher then her, he wouldn't wait.

Free: Activate fire damage on my sword
Move: Aegis of Shielding on the one to my Southwest.
Minor: Promise of Storm
Standard: Lightning Lure on the one to my South. (If I hit use the Daily Flaming power of the sword)

If I have an action point:
Standard: Lightning Lure on the same one. (If I hit, and haven't already use it, use the Daily Flaming power of the sword)

Surprise only occurs if one side is not aware of the other. If Candelos had a ready action he could have taken it if the trigger was her doing an action.

Thia moves east until she sees something other than a blade. She then moves south and/or east as far as she can go and still have a shot at the knight.

She uses Hunters Bear Trap - Searched back through and didnt see anywhere that I used it since the last rest.

She will use Elven reroll if she misses.

If she has an action point she will use it to Biting Volley and Elven Reroll if she didn't need it on the hunters bear trap.

Ross wrote:Surprise only occurs if one side is not aware of the other. If Candelos had a ready action he could have taken it if the trigger was her doing an action.

Candelos didn't have a ready action, he was ready for an attack, but had no action readied.

The caster's action wouldn't have changed since she could have teleported first, then attacked instead of teleport, attack, teleport.

Dwarmaj wrote:Candelos didn't have a ready action, he was ready for an attack, but had no action readied...

I think you did that right. You can't have a readied action before combat starts.

Mick wrote:Candelos seem to be the only one stated he was ready for a
attack. The smallest flinch would have sent him in to battle. If he
would have rolled higher then her, he wouldn't wait.

The "smallest flinch" was her teleport action, and her +10 init still made her quicker on the draw after that. There is no "he wouldn't wait", because we were waiting, for them to make the first move during all those rounds of parley. I'd have ruled the same way.

...correct, there is no "ready action" before combat starts. I agree with Brad. The caster gets the first action and everyone else is in initiative order.

Ross wrote:Free: Activate fire damage on my sword
Move: Aegis of Shielding on the one to my Southwest.
Minor: Promise of Storm
Standard: Lightning Lure on the one to my South. (If I hit use the Daily Flaming power of the sword)

If I have an action point:
Standard: Lightning Lure on the same one. (If I hit, and haven't already use it, use the Daily Flaming power of the sword)

Kaddim's turn:
Move: mark the Blade to your SW
Minor: activate Promise of Storm
Standard: use Lightning Lure on the Knight to your SE
LL 18 vs Fort miss

Yes, Candelos and Kaddim would get an AP after their last encounter.

Kaddim uses an Action Point
Lightning Lure on the yellow knight
LL 25 vs Fort hits for 12+3hp of damage. The red knight to your west shields the yellow knight. The red knight takes 1/2 of the damage and the yellow knight takes none. But the yellow knight is pulled adjacent to you (assuming to your south).

Krystoff wrote:Thia moves east until she sees something other than a blade. She then moves south and/or east as far as she can go and still have a shot at the knight.

She uses Hunters Bear Trap - Searched back through and didnt see anywhere that I used it since the last rest.

She will use Elven reroll if she misses.

If she has an action point she will use it to Biting Volley and Elven Reroll if she didn't need it on the hunters bear trap.

Thia's turn:
Move: Thia has a good shot at the knight south of Kaddim and will have a penalty if she moves. So she'll stay.
Standard: Hunter's Bear Trap on the knight
HBT 27 vs Ac hits for 21 hp of damage. The knight looks very wounded... The knight is now slowed.

Sorry, Thia, Miri, and Sonya do not get an Action Point after their last battle. They got one before the last battle.

Knights turn...

Knight's turn...

Yellow Knight
Move: Teleport 5 into the room to the NE
Standard: move 2

Red Knight
Move: Teleport 5 SE
Standard: Move east then into the NE room





Candelos turn...

Candelos:
Minor: One heart one mind
Move: 5 spaces to NE corner of the doorway
done

Mick wrote:Candelos:
Minor: One heart one mind
Move: 5 spaces to NE corner of the doorway
done

Candelos' turn:
Minor: cast One Heart One Mind
Move: move to the NE section of the door

Winter Blade's turn:
Each blade teleports into the NE room and moves out of sight.

Miri's turn, then Sonya
The only enemy in sight is the caster, 6 squares east of Kaddim. (unable to post a map at this time...)

Can't you throw something at that Blade?

free action: with OHOM, say to the party, it looks like they trying to lure us into pursuing them and hitting us when we are on the ice.

Dwarmaj wrote:
Miri's turn, then Sonya...

Using 1H1M: Kaddim, let's not chase them over the ice, but draw them back into OUR room. Candelos, maybe shut the door behind Kaddim after he comes in so the witch can't teleport him again on her next turn.



(yelling in a mocking voice): ""Leave now at once!"... or we'll pull a big scaredy cat runaway! Why didn't you just let us sleep?"

full round action: pull the bedspreads/sheets from the bed (so we can disrupt the witch's LOS by hanging them up in the doorway).

done.

One knight is missing though (if Kaddim shared that with us) so he might be out grabbing Breeze. We were attacked first while we were trying to rest.

Pull back into this room and lets try to rest.

Krystoff wrote:One knight is missing though (if Kaddim shared that with us) so he might be out grabbing Breeze...

I think it's more likely the 3rd knight was always in that NE room and the witch teleported back into his LOS for shielding.

bradly wrote:
full round action: pull the bedspreads/sheets from the bed (so we can disrupt the witch's LOS by hanging them up in the doorway).
done.

Miri's turn:
It looks like Miri is taking the sheets off of the beds and planning to hang them up over the northern doors.

Sonya's turn...

Sonya's turn

Move Action: I can't see the map, as usual. Move to the east where there is a set of doors.
Minor Action: Try to open.
Standard Action: If the door opens, throw shield or make a Basic Attack vs any enemy within range. If the door opens and there are no enemies in sight, ready action to swing or throw at any such.
If the door doesn't open with my minor action, use standard action to attempt to break down the door.

Teramotos wrote:Sonya's turn

Move Action: I can't see the map, as usual. Move to the east where there is a set of doors.
Minor Action: Try to open.
Standard Action: If the door opens, throw shield or make a Basic Attack vs any enemy within range. If the door opens and there are no enemies in sight, ready action to swing or throw at any such.
If the door doesn't open with my minor action, use standard action to attempt to break down the door.

I can't post maps at the moment. The kids are home today and on the computer. I can't run MapTools while they're on because it takes too much CPU/RAM. I'm running Maptools on my laptop that I have with me .

When Sonya looks at the door to the east she can tell that it has been nailed shut. There are spikes going from the outside into the ground and into the walls. It would take several rounds to try to break through.

I'll start the process of breaking through the door then.

Why are you trying to break the door down? Lets leave this place as defensive as possible.

....hmmm I was thinking of using it as an additional avenue of attack, perhaps allowing a way to come at them from an unsuspecting direction. If a dragon comes in the front, it can also be an escape route.

Sonya's turn:
Move: Sonya moves adjacent to the east door
Standard: Sonya begins hacking at the door with her axe

Thia tells Sonya to wait and they are now discussing whether or not the door should come down...

Caster's turn:
Standard: Cast Winter Winds on Kaddim
WW 20 vs Ref hits for 10hp of damage. Kaddim is teleported east (2E 1SE).

Move: the caster teleports east into the NE room. She is currently 5 squares east of Kaddim. Kaddim and Candelos can just barely see her.

Kaddim's turn:
Kaddim starts in ice terrain...
Icy Terrain 15 vs Ref miss, Kaddim does not fall prone. (I'll post a new map when I get home...)
I can email one if you need one before then.

Current map...

Move: Move 2 North.
Standard: Lightning Lure on North Enemy and pull him to me.

Ross wrote:Move: Move 2 North.

You could have at least moved NWest. The rest of us are trying to stay off the ice. Don't go where we can't follow...

Ross wrote:Move: Move 2 North.
Standard: Lightning Lure on North Enemy and pull him to me.

Kaddim's turn:
Move: move 2 north through icy terrain (2 attacks)
Icy Terrain 13 vs Ref miss
Icy Terrain 21 vs ref hits for 7hp of damage. Kaddim falls prone.

Standard: use Lightning Lure on the yellow knight
LL 15-2 vs Fort miss




Thia's turn... then the knights

Thia has a shot at the yellow knight, but he'll have superior cover since you're shooting through two doorways and a wall is blocking more than half of the token.

Dwarmaj wrote:
Thia's turn... then the knights

Remember your new boots give you a +1 item bonus to AC & Ref every round you shift...

Posted a thread on the general forum https://nwgamers.forumotion.com/general-discussion-f4/extended-rests-in-40-t562.htm#7554.

I had to re-read the rule for extended rests in 4.0.

Does Thia have an item power action? I know I used my armor in the mangler fight but since then we have had two short rests.

If I do have an item action, I will use my bracers to ignore cover and biting volley (score crit on 18 -20)

So:
Minor: HQ the yellow knight
Move as a minor: Use Bracers
Standard: Biting Volley

Krystoff wrote:Does Thia have an item power action? I know I used my armor in the mangler fight but since then we have had two short rests.

If I do have an item action, I will use my bracers to ignore cover and biting volley (score crit on 18 -20)

So:
Minor: HQ the yellow knight
Move as a minor: Use Bracers
Standard: Biting Volley

Your token shows that you've used your Serpent Skin armor. But since you've had one milestone you should have another daily item usage.

Hmm, I highly doubt Thia would have though resting here would be a good idea then since it is hazardous. Thia has a 90% chance of failure on the endurance check.

OK good, my action as stated stands then.

Krystoff wrote:Does Thia have an item power action? I know I used my armor in the mangler fight but since then we have had two short rests.

If I do have an item action, I will use my bracers to ignore cover and biting volley (score crit on 18 -20)

So:
Minor: HQ the yellow knight
Move as a minor: Use Bracers
Standard: Biting Volley

Thia's turn:
Minor HW the yellow knight
Move: use the daily power of the bracers
Standard: use Biting Vollwy on the yellow knight
BV #1 19 vs Ref miss
BV #2 30 vs Ref hits for 14+4hp of damage. The yellow knight is shielded by another knight to his east...

Knights turn...

Knight's turn:
The knight Kaddim can see moves east.

Kaddim thinks he did a move and a move. You can hear others moving east as well...





Candelos' turn...
There are no enemies in sight (well Candelos can see a small corner of the caster's square 9 squares away. Would be a tough shot with a ranged attack.

The eladrins will go back to the dragon lair.

If the PCs want to pursue, let me know...

You may rest in the eladrin rooms, but may suffer from the cold.

Or you can try resting in one of the other locations cleared.

Let me know.

I say we change locations just to throw them off (we could even stay in this area, at least switch to a different room). If we suspect they are going to return, is there a place that we could set an ambush?

Here's a current map with the eladrin removed



The small "pillars" in the NE room are waist high blocks of ice.

The "curtains" in the casters room block LOS and take a standard action to move through (if you're not an ice eleadrin...). They also deal cold damage if you try to pass or put your hands into them.

Thia is of the mind we head back to rest in the gargoyle section, we have do so before and they indicated they were willing to watch over us while we rest.

I really don't think they have anything to do with getting out of here.

Ken, have we been in every room in this icy area? If so, have we seen any other exits out of this area, including the dragons lair?

Ross wrote:I really don't think they have anything to do with getting out of here.

Ken, have we been in every room in this icy area? If so, have we seen any other exits out of this area, including the dragons lair?

There are no doors/corridors in the "icy" area that the party hasn't explored, that the party knows of...

Here's a map of what the party has explored:

Hey, didn't that one knight go into the NW room? Search the north wall of that room for secret doors. Take 20 if I have to. Oh, crawl across the ice to avoid damage.

Teramotos wrote:Hey, didn't that one knight go into the NW room? Search the north wall of that room for secret doors. Take 20 if I have to. Oh, crawl across the ice to avoid damage.

They all when NE...

The east/north and the door where Kaddim is at connect.

ahhh, okay then.

So...

Will the PCs rest in the eladrin room or move to another?

Also have a list ready of which items will be created by Miri.