Into the cold

Mick wrote:Teleport to space west of her. Can I only push her straight east or can I push her NE so she will hit a wall.
I push her NE if possible

Candelos' turn:
Move: use the orb to teleport west of the caster
Standard: attack the caster using Final Rebuke
FR 22-2 vs Fort miss

Caster's trun:
Move: teleport NE (her teleport seems to be at-will...)
Standard: use Winter Winds on Candelos
WW 26-2 vs Ref hits for 8hp of damage. Candelos is teleported 3 squares NW



Sonya's turn, then Miri and Kaddim

If he can see the south edge of the square the caster is in then he should have line of site to it.

Superior Cover: The defender has superior cover if no matter which corner in your space you choose and no matter which square of the target’s space you choose, three or four lines are blocked. If four lines are blocked from every corner, you can’t target the defender.

Ross wrote:If he can see the south edge of the square the caster is in then he should have line of site to it.

Candelos wasn't trying to teleport to the square the caster was in, but the one below her. He was looking down 6 squares of wall to try & teleport around the corner. I think Ken ruled that one right. It's a moot point anyway though, since his attack missed & he was teleported since then anyway...

I know that he was trying to teleport to the square south of her. If Candelos can see the casters full square then he's able to see the line of the square that borders to her south, right? If he's able to see that line of the square he has line of sight to the square to her south, and can therefore teleport into it. If someone was in the square right around the corner you could still take a shot at them, although it would be at a -5 penalty (superior cover).

Wow, I know 20 vs fort is not great but that caster has a better fort then Candelos.

Mick wrote:Wow, I know 20 vs fort is not great but that caster has a better fort then Candelos.

Candelos would have missed even without the -2 penalty for being prone...

Ross wrote:I know that he was trying to teleport to the square south of her. If Candelos can see the casters full square then he's able to see the line of the square that borders to her south, right? If he's able to see that line of the square he has line of sight to the square to her south, and can therefore teleport into it. If someone was in the square right around the corner you could still take a shot at them, although it would be at a -5 penalty (superior cover).

The problem is that Candelos is so far away and against the wall he's trying to look around.

As a test I went out into the hallway at the office, walked about 30' back from a corner then took a look at what I could see.

To see the flloor around the corner I had to move several feet away from the wall.

Several feet away from the wall would be the five foot edge of the square.

Krystoff wrote:Several feet away from the wall would be the five foot edge of the square.

For simplicity I'm just going to go with what MapTools shows as line of sight. It's pretty close and consistant. I'm sure they'll be other cases where it's right when it should be wrong or wrong when it could be right.

Sonya's turn...
Sonya is currently prone.

Agreed

Krystoff wrote:Agreed

Me too. It disrupts the game too much to argue with the GM.

Sonya's turn:

Move Action - Crawl into the hallway.
Standard Action - Stand up.
Minor Action - check to see if my axe is at my feet (should be)
done...

Teramotos wrote:Sonya's turn:

Move Action - Crawl into the hallway.
Standard Action - Stand up.
Minor Action - check to see if my axe is at my feet (should be)
done...

Looks like Miri's turn, then Kaddim.
Miri starts her turn in icy terrain... (I won't be able to resolve the attack until after lunch when I can get access to my home pc).

Dwarmaj wrote:
Looks like Miri's turn, then Kaddim.
Miri starts
her turn in icy terrain...

Standard action: cast 'Magic Missle' on the witch (+2 damage from AR)

move action: attempt to move 2 squares S into the South room

done.

bradly wrote:

Dwarmaj wrote:
Looks like Miri's turn, then Kaddim.
Miri starts
her turn in icy terrain...

Standard action: cast 'Magic Missle' on the witch (+2 damage from AR)

move action: attempt to move 2 squares S into the South room

done.

Miri's turn:
At the start of Miri's turn she starts in an area of icy terrain and has trouble keeping her balance.

Icy Terrain 18 vs Ref miss, Miri does not fall prone.

Standard: cast Magic Missile at the caster 26 vs Ref hits for 14hp of damage. A white light surrounds the caster and shields her. One of the knights took 1/2 the damage and she took none.

Move: move south into the room
Icy Terrain 25 vs Ref hits for 3hp of damage. Miri falls prone.



After Miri is Kaddim's turn, then Thia

Thia twin strikes the caster.

crawl and crawl on towards door to the south.

Kaddim's turn:
Kaddim crawls toward the room to the south.

Thia's turn:

Krystoff wrote:Thia twin strikes the caster.

Standard: use Twin Strike/HQ on the caster
TS #1 22 vs Ac miss
TS #2 15 vs Ac miss



Candelos' turn... Candelos is currently prone.

This is what I have for current PC status:
Candelos 65/78hp with 10/14 surges
Kaddim 48/79hp with 9/11 surges
Sonya 46/66hp with 4/9 surgeas
Miri 39/58hp with 3/9 surges
Thia 39/65hp with 1/7 surges

I think the map has me still in the room when I s/b North of Thia.
Still Candelos' turn

Candelos:
Stand
If stand succeds, move 1/2 speed SE

Mick wrote:Candelos:
Stand
If stand succeds, move 1/2 speed SE

Candelos' turn:
Move: stand
Icy Terrain 16 vs Ref miss. Candelos is able to stand.

Standard: move SE at 1/2 speed.
Square 1, Icy Terrain 28 vs Ref (critical) hits for 8hp of damage. Candelos falls prone.

Caster's turn:

Standard: cast Winter Winds on Kaddim
WW 30 vs Ref hits for 8hp of damage. Kaddim is teleported 3 squares NE

Move: move 1SW




Note:
Kaddim can see a couple of the Eladrins carrying what looks like a bed and sliding it to the west.

Sonya's turn, then Miri

Showing a map with the door open in the SE room.

Oh, Kaddim is adjacent to a set of double doors that lead north.

Sonya's turn...

Oh, the last status I gave had Sonya with 4/9 surges, but I think she should only have 3 surges. I'll need to go back and recheck...

Sonya's Turn
Standard Action: Throwing Shield at the caster
Move Action: Stow Acid Sword
Done

Teramotos wrote:Sonya's Turn
Standard Action: Throwing Shield at the caster
Move Action: Stow Acid Sword
Done

Sonya's turn:
Standard: throw shield at caster 17 vs Ac miss
Move: stow sword.

Miri's turn... then Kaddim

Dwarmaj wrote:
Miri's turn... then Kaddim

Cast 'Magic Missle' on the witch (+2 damage from AR)

move (crawling) 2 squares S

done.

bradly wrote:
Cast 'Magic Missle' on the witch (+2 damage from AR)

move (crawling) 2 squares S

done.

Miri's turn:
Standard: cast Magic Missile at the caster
MM 27 vs Ref hits for 16+2hp of damage. A white light shields the caster. Kaddim can see that the blue knight is the one that shielded her.

Move: crawl 2S

Miri can see a door leading east to the south east. The door has metal spikes around it's frame. It looks like it will be difficult to get through the door. (they've nailed the door shut).



Kaddim's turn, then Thia and Candelos

If I can see spikes, then at least one of them must be on this side? Did they spike it from the otherside, and I can't see spikes, but strongly suspect they've braced the door?

bradly wrote:If I can see spikes, then at least one of them must be on this side? Did they spike it from the otherside, and I can't see spikes, but strongly suspect they've braced the door?

You don't see anyone else in the room. All of the spikes are from the outside in.

Standard: Lightning Lure on caster and place her to the square to my South, adjacent to me and Candelos.
Move: Attempt to Stand
Done

Ross wrote:Standard: Lightning Lure on caster and place her to the square to my South, adjacent to me and Candelos.
Move: Attempt to Stand
Done

Kaddim's turn:
Standard: use Lightning Lure on the caster
LL 29-2(prone)-2(mark)=25 vs Fort hits for 14hp of damage. The red knight shields her from the damage, but Kaddim pulls her adjacent to Candelos and himself.

Move: attempt to stand
Icy Terrain 12 vs Ref miss, Kaddim stands up.



Thia's turn, then Candelos

Thia will twin strike, she should already be HQ'd

Krystoff wrote:Thia will twin strike, she should already be HQ'd

Thia's turn:
Standard: use Twin Strike/HQ on the caster
TS #1 31 vs Ac hits for 14+6hp of damage. (it looks like she took the damage on this one...)
TS #2 20 vs Ac miss

Candelos' turn, then the caster...

Candelos:
standard: attack with Martyr’s Retribution while prone

Martyr’s Retribution Paladin Attack 5
Daily ✦ Divine, Radiant, Weapon
Standard Action Melee weapon
Target: One creature
Attack: Strength vs. AC, and you must spend a healing surge
a modifier radiant damage.
Hit: 4[W] + Strength modifier radiant damage.
Miss: Half damage.

Move: stand

Mick wrote:Candelos:
standard: attack with Martyr’s Retribution while prone

Martyr’s Retribution Paladin Attack 5
Daily ✦ Divine, Radiant, Weapon
Standard Action Melee weapon
Target: One creature
Attack: Strength vs. AC, and you must spend a healing surge
a modifier radiant damage.
Hit: 4[W] + Strength modifier radiant damage.
Miss: Half damage.

Move: stand

Candelos' turn:
Standard: Candelos uses Martyr's Retribution on the caster
MR 22-2 vs Ac miss. Candelos uses a healing surge and the caster takes half of the damage 22/2=11hp of radiant damage.

Move: Candelos attempts to stand
Icy Terrain 12 vs Ref miss. Candelos stands up.

Caster's turn:
Move: teleport SE
Standard: use Dazzling Snow on Candelos and Kaddim
DS on Kaddim 23 vs Will hits for 7hp of damage. Kaddim is blind for a turn
DS on Candelos 18 vs Will miss.



Sonya's turn, then Miri

Dwarmaj wrote:
Sonya's turn, then Miri

After Sonya goes (since I don't think it'll affect me), Miri will:

move action: move 1 square N

standard action: cast 'Magic Missile' on the witch (+2 damage from AR, but -5 attack for superior cover)

free action: "So Witch, which one of these beds in here are yours... or do all of your boys take turns with you?"

bradly wrote:

Dwarmaj wrote:
Sonya's turn, then Miri

After Sonya goes (since I don't think it'll affect me), Miri will:

move action: move 1 square N

standard action: cast 'Magic Missile' on the witch (+2 damage from AR, but -5 attack for superior cover)

free action: "So Witch, which one of these beds in here are yours... or do all of your boys take turns with you?"

According to MapTools, if Miri moves 1N there is no line of sight from Miri to the caster.


MapTools must be determining LOS from the center of the token. Hmm...


Also, Miri is currently prone. If she were able to take a shot, it would be at -7.

Currently Sonya's turn...

Dwarmaj wrote:According to MapTools, if Miri moves 1N there is no line of sight from Miri to the caster.

...Also, Miri is currently prone. If she were able to take a shot, it would be at -7

I thought we just talked about LOS & this was considered 'superior cover'. If she has no LOS, then her standard action will be to stand (which DEFINITELY won't affect Sonya's action).

Also, shooting from prone shouldn't have a penalty, but melee from prone does and shooting a prone target does (if memory serves me right).

bradly wrote:

Dwarmaj wrote:According to MapTools, if Miri moves 1N there is no line of sight from Miri to the caster.

...Also, Miri is currently prone. If she were able to take a shot, it would be at -7

I thought we just talked about LOS & this was considered 'superior cover'. If she has no LOS, then her standard action will be to stand (which DEFINITELY won't affect Sonya's action).

Also, shooting from prone shouldn't have a penalty, but melee from prone does and shooting a prone target does (if memory serves me right).

p277 of PHB

PRONE
✦You grant combat advantage to enemies making melee attacks against you.
✦You get a +2 bonus to all defenses against ranged attacks from nonadjacent enemies.
✦You’re lying on the ground. (If you’re flying, you safely descend a distance equal to your fly speed. If you
don’t reach the ground, you fall.)
✦You take a –2 penalty to attack rolls.
✦You can drop prone as a minor action.

All attacks while prone are at -2

Miri can take the shot from prone at -7, or you can move and stand.

Sonya's turn:
If Sonya is within 10 of the caster:
Standard Action: Throwing shield at caster
Move Action: Pick up Axe - Done
If Sonya is further than 10 from the caster:
Move Action: Pick up axe
Standard Action: Move 2 SE - Done

Teramotos wrote:Sonya's turn:
If Sonya is within 10 of the caster:
Standard Action: Throwing shield at caster
Move Action: Pick up Axe - Done
If Sonya is further than 10 from the caster:
Move Action: Pick up axe
Standard Action: Move 2 SE - Done

Sonya's turn:
Sonya is 12 squares away from the caster...
Move: pick up axe
Standard: move 2SE through icy terrain...
Icy Terrain (first square) 16 vs Ref miss
Icy Terrain (second square) 15 vs Ref miss

Miri's turn:
Move: 2N
Standard: cast magic missile at the caster (at a -7 penalty)
MM 23-7=16 vs Ref miss




Kaddim's turn...
Kaddim starts his turn in icy terrain...
Icy Terrain 23 vs Ref hits for 7hp of damage. Kaddim falls prone.

Kaddim is currently at 26/79hp with 9/11 surges.
He is currently prone and blind. He is also still marked by the yellow knight which now has LOS to him. Kaddim will take damage if he does not attack the yellow knight.

Forgot to expand the Fog of War...

Currently Kaddim's turn...

Move: Crawl 1 square South.
Standard: Crawl 1 square Southwest.

That will put me in the square south of Candelos, and should make me lose LOS to the yellow knight before the end of my turn.

Free: Hey Sonya, got any heals left?

Ross wrote:Move: Crawl 1 square South.
Standard: Crawl 1 square Southwest.

That will put me in the square south of Candelos, and should make me lose LOS to the yellow knight before the end of my turn.

Free: Hey Sonya, got any heals left?

Kaddim's turn:
Kaddim crawls S and SW

Thia's turn, then Candelos

Thia twin strikes with HQ.
No move

..sorry, I'm completely out of heals. You'll have to second wind or if you use an AP, you'll get 9 hits back if you can see and hear me. If I can get next to you, I can attempt a heal check to give you back your surge value (I am trained in heal).