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    Post by Dwarmaj Fri May 11, 2012 4:01 pm

    Do vulnerabilities of different types stack?

    Vulnerable:

    The rule above only goes into vulnerabilities of the same type not stacking.

    Ex:
    A monster is vulnerable to 5 Fire and 10 Acid.

    If an attack does 10 Fire and Acid, do they take an extra 10hp (non-stacking) or 15hp (stacking)?

    If the attack was only acid, they'd take +10.
    If the attack was only fire, they'd take +5.

    Any benefit for attacking with both acid and fire?
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    Post by Teramotos Fri May 11, 2012 5:56 pm

    I'll have to look it up, but I think only the highest vulnerability applies. So, if the attack does fire and acid, the monster only takes + 10 for the acid.


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    Post by Teramotos Fri May 11, 2012 6:03 pm

    Yep, I was right, Rules Compendium pg 226 - Vulnerabilities are non-cumulative...
    If a creature has vulnerabilty 5 psychic and then gains vulnerable 2 to all damage, the creature still has vulnerable 5 psychic, not vulnerable 7 psychic.

    I know the example above is not exactly like the original question, but I think it is a strong enough precedence to extrapolate that vulnerabilities to dissimilar damage types do not stack.


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    Post by Dwarmaj Fri May 11, 2012 6:17 pm

    Umm, that's the exact line I already quoted above...

    It states that vulnerabilities of the same type don't stack. It doesn't mention vulnerabilities of different types.

    To take it the other way, resistances do kinda stack.

    A creature with resistant 10 Fire still takes Fire damage if the attack did Fire and Acid. You have to resist both or your restance doesn't count.

    Ex:
    A monster is resist 5 Fire and 10 Acid.

    If I make an attack that does 10 Acid/Cold, then they take all 10 and resist none.


    Note:
    Now that I think about it vulnerabilities probably shouldn't stack. Just not sure on what rule to point to.
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    Post by Dwarmaj Fri May 11, 2012 6:39 pm

    Here's a thread on WotC Rules discussing the very same thing:
    http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27396505/Ongoing_damage,_multiple_damage_types,_and_vulnerability?pg=1

    There are people on either side and pretty much say it's a DM descision...
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    Post by Teramotos Fri May 11, 2012 8:18 pm

    Hmmm...maybe my browser is old (both here and at the office) but I don't see in your original post where you quoted anything... silent


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    Post by Dwarmaj Fri May 11, 2012 8:52 pm

    It's hidden...

    I've been using spoiler tags to condense posts...

    In the first post where it says "Vulnerable:" and is yellowish, click on it to expand.

    I did this with my PC as well to condense large blocks or to logically separate stuff.
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    Post by Teramotos Fri May 11, 2012 10:19 pm

    Okay, I see it now. That's the passage right before the passage I posted.


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    Post by Dwarmaj Fri May 18, 2012 1:59 pm

    Still wasn't 100% sure so I sent a question off to WotC

    Question:

    Under Vulnerable there is an example of it not stacking for the same damage type. What about different damage types?

    Example:
    A monster is vulnerable to 10 Radiant and 5 Cold. An attack hits it for 10hp of Randiant&Cold.

    Does the monster take 10+10=20hp (higher of the two vulnerabilities) or
    Does the monster take 10+10+5=25hp (the attack damage and both vulnerabilites)?

    Response:

    Hi Ken,

    Thanks for contacting us here at Wizards of the Coast Game Support. The monster takes 10+10+5 for the attack damage and both vulnerabilities. This is stated on page 225 of the Rules Compendium which says "Vulnerability to a specific damage type applies even when that damage type is combined with another."

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    Post by Teramotos Fri May 18, 2012 2:10 pm

    okay, I guess they stack then


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    Post by Dwarmaj Sat May 19, 2012 9:13 am

    Needed to be sure since it could add 5-20+ damage per round...

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