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1 LOS & LOE on Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:51 pm

For a modern setting, how would spells that require Line of Sight or Line of Effect work through a glass window, or looking around a corner with a mirror?

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2 Re: LOS & LOE on Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:59 pm

Ross wrote:Also, can I see in the windows (specifically the can I see the the ground below the shades?) or is there a crack below the door where I can see the floor into the house? Just need to see a little bit into the square next to the window or door, and I can teleport in.

Exterior doors would not have gaps that you can see through as bugs would get in and heat would get out.

Window curtains would be thick and wide to prevent any accidental bursting into flames, but sure, you can see the curtains inside and possibly the carpet beneath. Not sure if that's a legal square to teleport to... Would the couple inches space be too tight an area to teleport into? Or can you just pooch out the curtain & it's fine?

Another question: How clear does LOS need to be? Can you teleport through a door looking reverse through the peep hole?

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3 Re: LOS & LOE on Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:06 pm

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Teleportation
A teleportation power transports creatures or objects instantaneously from one location to another.

You use these rules when you use a teleportation power on a target, which might be yourself, another creature, or an object.

• Instantaneous: Teleportation is instantaneous. The target disappears and immediately appears in the destination space you choose. The movement is unhindered by intervening creatures, objects, or terrain.

• Destination Space: The destination of the teleportation must be an unoccupied space that the target can occupy without squeezing. If arriving in the destination space would cause the target to fall or if that space is hindering terrain, the target can make a saving throw. On a save, the teleportation is negated.

• Line of Sight: You must have line of sight to the destination space.

• No Line of Effect: Neither you nor the target needs line of effect to the destination space.


• No Opportunity Actions: The target doesn’t provoke opportunity actions for leaving its starting position.

• Immobilized or Restrained: Being immobilized or restrained doesn’t prevent a target from teleporting. If a target teleports away from a physical restraint, a monster’s grasp, or some other immobilizing effect that is located in a specific space, the target is no longer immobilized or restrained. Otherwise, the target teleports but is still immobilized or restrained when it reaches the destination space.


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4 Re: LOS & LOE on Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:12 pm

Ross wrote:

• Destination Space: The destination of the teleportation must be an unoccupied space that the target can occupy without squeezing. If arriving in the destination space would cause the target to fall or if that space is hindering terrain, the target can make a saving throw. On a save, the teleportation is negated.

Teleporting inside a curtained window, assuming nothing else in the square, would this be a 'squeeze', or would the curtain just move?

Same attempt but an unseen couch is behind curtain (occupying the square). This would be a squeeze attempt so sounds like it doesn't work, would the power or action be expended on the attempt?

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5 Re: LOS & LOE on Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:13 pm

Ross wrote:

• Line of Sight: You must have line of sight to the destination space.

• No Line of Effect: Neither you nor the target needs line of effect to the destination space.


So through a peep hole should work?

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6 Re: LOS & LOE on Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:26 pm

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I would have to be able to see thru the curtain, but it would only have to be a sliver of an opening.


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7 Re: LOS & LOE on Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:32 pm

Ross wrote:I would have to be able to see thru the curtain, but it would only have to be a sliver of an opening.

Okay then, for this encounter no, can't teleport through the window or thru a crack below the door, but it would have a peep hole... Any sliver would be no good, since that's all sunlight needs too.

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