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    Post by Dwarmaj Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:10 pm

    A Parry Dagger does not have the "Light Thrown" property.

    If you have a feat that says you can throw a dagger, can you throw a Parry Dagger if you are proficient with it?

    The description of the Parrying Dagger says that it is a dagger...

    Electra throws her sai all the time (if you're familiar with the Electra comics/movie)...


    Parrying dagger

    Superior one-handed melee weapon
    Cost: 5 gp
    Damage: 1d4
    Proficient: +2
    Range: -
    Weight: 1 lb.

    This narrow dagger features a specially designed guard that can deflect attacks. A rogue proficient with the parrying dagger can treat it as a dagger for the purpose of the Rogue Weapon Talent class feature.

    Properties:
    Off-Hand (An off-hand weapon is light enough that you can hold it and attack effectively with it while holding a weapon in your main hand. You can’t attack with both weapons in the same turn, unless you have a power that lets you do so, but you can attack with either weapon.).
    Defensive (A defensive weapon grants you a +1 bonus to AC while you wield the defensive weapon in one hand and wield another melee weapon in your other hand. Wielding more than one defensive weapon does not increase this bonus. To gain this benefit, you need not attack with the defensive weapon, but you must be proficient with it.).

    Group:
    Light blade (Light blades reward accuracy as much as force. Pinpoint attacks, lunges, and agile defenses are the strong points of these weapons.).

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    Post by Kenji Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:26 pm

    They not only nerfed it's throwing, but it's proficiency too...
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    Post by Dwarmaj Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:05 pm

    bradly wrote:They not only nerfed it's throwing, but it's proficiency too...

    Loosing +1 on proficiency isn't bad since you get +1 bonus to AC.
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    Post by Kenji Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:31 pm

    Where sais have a hook for disarming that doesn't affect the aerodynamics for throwing, it sounds like this dagger has some sort of hilt sheild that is more bowl-shaped and not good for throwing.
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    Post by Teramotos Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:39 pm

    So, are Parrying Daggers subsets of the "Dagger" family of weapons? If a Power, Feat or Item enhances the use of a "Dagger", does that also mean that it enhances a Parrying Dagger? I'm tempted to say "yes" because I'm sure the Powers, Feats, or Items, just say "dagger" or "daggers" and not "excludes parrying daggers", or "only regular daggers". On one hand, there's the text that says for the purposes of Rogue powers, the parry dagger is a dagger, but on the other hand, the fact that Range is a dash "-" indicates strongly that it is not a thrown weapon. But counter to that is that a specific rule superceeds a general one. I'd say that the RAW would allow it, but I don't think that letting powers for thrown daggers apply to parry daggers is within the RAI.

    If I had to rule on this, I'd let the power in question apply to parry daggers, but since they have range "-", I would treat them as an improvised thrown weapon.


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    Post by Dwarmaj Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:38 pm

    The feat I'm looking at for my monk is:

    Starblade Flurry
    Paragon Tier
    Prerequisite: 11th level, monk, Flurry of Blows class feature
    Benefit: When you use your Flurry of Blows power, you can add a single target within 5 squares of you by throwing a dagger or a shuriken that you have in hand. Doing so doesn’t provoke opportunity attacks.

    The feat lets you throw a "dagger" and auto hit for Flurry damage and not provoke an AoO.

    The Parrying Dagger states that it is a dagger:

    This narrow dagger...
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    Post by Ross Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:06 pm

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    Post by Kenji Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:13 pm

    What a silly looking weapon! I think I'd rather have a sturdy stick...
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    Post by Dwarmaj Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:07 am

    I believe a Sai is considered a Parrying Dagger.

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