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51 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:10 am

Yes, that's the gist of the 90 min video. The US Government, in an effort to kill off most of the US population is conducting hundreds of flights daily that are dispersing AL and other toxic metals that will (over time) kill all of us. The levels are upwards of 65K time what is considered safe. The obserable evidence is that there are jet contrails that linger in the air whereas normal jet contrails disipate quickly. The video says that there are far more contrails now than in recent years, there are measurably high levels of these metals on the ground - water - in people - in plants, the sky "appears" more hazy than before. There are a number of scientists w Phd's that were interviewed in the video that provided support for the video's claims. It was interesting and invoked quite a number of questions (in my mind).

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52 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:15 am

Krystoff wrote:Didn't watch the video but what is the gist of the claim? That the jet vapor trails are releasing toxic metals into the air?

...That there is a difference between 'contrails' and 'chemtrails'. Contrails are condensation clouds that dissipate after a couple minutes, and the lines observed last for hours. Increased frequency doesn't fit well to explain why these lines last so long in the sky. Your summary is partially accurate, but they appear to not be vapor trails (contrails) at all.

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53 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:37 pm

I haven't done much research at all but here is a site that explains the length of contrails. Interesting to see the comments/discussion about it,

http://contrailscience.com/how-long-do-contrails-last/

I do have to ask though what is the end game? Why would they try to poison people?

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54 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:26 pm

"The above is a simplification, as other factors like temperature, pressure, and sunlight have an effect."

The vid I posted goes into a lot of detail (that I can't explain well) that examines these 'other factors' not explained in this simplification. When we add in all the details we know, there are contradictions to what we know of contrails.

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55 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:57 pm

http://contrailscience.com/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying/

...from the link that Krystoff provided, here's an explanation regarding the initial video "What Are They Spraying"...

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56 the Great Lightbulb Conspiracy on Sun May 08, 2011 11:24 pm

http://www.truththeory.org/pyramids-of-waste/

Well done documentary on planned obsolesence. Did you know that early lightbulb designers made lightbulbs that could last (on continually) for 100 years? That wasn't good for profits, so they're not sold anymore. Very interesting...

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57 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Mon May 09, 2011 8:18 am

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Many things can be built to last a lot longer but aren't. No profit in that.


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58 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Mon May 09, 2011 9:05 am

Ross wrote:Many things can be built to last a lot longer but aren't. No profit in that.

Yes, the doc actually talks about a couple of them, not just lightbulbs. Don't you agree that's a pretty inefficient way of doing things? The irritating thing is that it's all design, not materials. It costs the same to produce either, and actually took extensively more R&D to design the ones we have now lasting only a few months versus decades.

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59 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Mon May 09, 2011 10:15 am

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It depends on your goal. If your the producer and you want to make money then it's very efficient to make the item have a limited lifetime.
The state can design and make roads that last a lot longer than they do, but don't, so they can have more jobs and suppliers working.


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60 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Mon May 09, 2011 11:20 am

Ross wrote:It depends on your goal. If your the producer and you want to make money then it's very efficient to make the item have a limited lifetime.

Yes, but that's a very myopic perspective, since profit is just one factor to consider. We're not also considering the waste of Human time (labor), material costs of replacements, etc. When we take in the whole picture, it's pretty inefficient, right?

Ross wrote:The state can design and make roads that last a lot longer than they do, but don't, so they can have more jobs and suppliers working.

Yes, this is exactly the inefficiency that I'm talking about, and to your point, it's everywhere. We purposely design crap that keeps Humans toiling. The monetary system is deeply, deeply flawed. Fortunately, we won't have to worry about it much longer...

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61 "Big History" on Sun May 22, 2011 8:55 pm

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/david_christian_big_history.html

Excellent 18 min video explaining the history of our universe.

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62 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Sun May 22, 2011 10:03 pm

Getting back to designing things that last longer...if you're the designer of something large and complex, a car, or even better, a large aircraft, then if you can have a part that lasts for the lifetime of the airplane that doesn't cost any more, why wouldn't you choose that part?? If you can prove that your 130 seat airplane costs the same out the gate as the other guy's 130 seat airplane but yours is way cheaper to maintain, hey, you'll sell a lot more airplanes than the other guy. I will make the point that it doesn't make sense to design a part that won't last longer than the airplane is expected to be flying. In other words, for AL skin aircraft, once metal fatigue has set in and it begins to cost more to inspect and repair the plane, then you can bet just a ton of other parts are nearing the end of thier life also.

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63 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Sun May 22, 2011 10:22 pm

Big history...collective learning. Brad, I must say, this was a very well put together and presented video. It was educational and well worth watching. Thanks for sharing.

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64 The Uniqueness of Humans on Mon May 23, 2011 9:26 am

http://www.ted.com/talks/robert_sapolsky_the_uniqueness_of_humans.html

Amazingly well researched & insightful comparison of Human Animal behavior. 40 mins

Teramotos wrote:...if you can have a part that lasts for the lifetime of the airplane that doesn't cost any more, why wouldn't you choose that part??...

I'm going to go out on a limb here & guess you didn't watch the film. (It addressed this point very well imo)

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65 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Mon May 23, 2011 3:12 pm

...no, I did watch the film and I am asserting that in some cases, it makes perfect sense to choose the part that lasts longer and that's what we do choose. Competition drives out the lesser product. If Boeing always selected the Suppliers that offered the part that wore out faster, then the maintenance cost for a Boeing product would be a lot higher than our competitors and after a while, no airline would buy a Boeing product. I'm pointing out that I DID watch the video and that I understand the point it is making and that I DON'T agree that thier view of the world is accurate under all circumstances.

Taken to the extreme, why doesn't Ford make a car that only lasts two months? ...because after a while, NO ONE WOULD EVER BUY ANOTHER ONE. So, to say that Ford, or any other company would always, and purposefully design a product with built in obsolesence is false. There are times when some companies do so (I would venture to say it is those with little or no competition in thier market) and there are time when they attempt to offer the very best product they can.

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66 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Mon May 23, 2011 3:29 pm

Teramotos wrote:...no, I did watch the film...

Then you missed the part about how cartels work. The film did not, however, suggest that EVERY industry is controlled by cartels...

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67 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Mon May 23, 2011 6:47 pm

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If you remember just a decade or 2 ago, everyone started buying Japanese cars because of their longevity. If it wasn't for their competition American cars wouldn't have stepped up to sell better cars. Nowadays the majority of autos are on a more balanced level when comparing how long they can run.

I would say as a buyer for Boeing I'm sure you know that your not trying to buy parts that are crap, however you are trying to buy a part that will get the job done for as little cost as you can get. The parts maker is trying to make part as cheaply as possible, which usually means cutting corners or using cheaper materials. So Boeing may not be trying to make planes that have a limited shelf life, however it just happens that way because they want to produce a plane as cheaply as possible.


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68 Monsters or Heroes on Mon May 23, 2011 8:27 pm

http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil.html

Caution: very disturbing images & subject matter, but an excelent analysis of good/evil behaviour and where it comes from.

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69 "Into the Fire" on Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:06 pm

http://www.truththeory.org/into-the-fire/

Very well done documentary looking into the police actions of the Toronto G20 Summit last year. 10,000 riot officers were brought in and 'arrested' (kidnapped) 1,100 people... We live in an exciting time of great changes if we're open to see what's going on. 2 hrs long though...

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70 Google Mars on Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:09 am

http://www.truththeory.org/into-the-fire/

I don't know what to make of this... I like how the narrator admits that he doesn't either.

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71 Endgame: Civ Resist or Die on Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:50 pm

http://www.truththeory.org/end-civ-resist-or-die/

Insightful look at the environmental movements. I loved the 'Star Wars' analogy... Very Happy

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72 WW3 coming? on Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:53 pm

Here's a synopsis broken down of H.R. 1540...

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/05/15/congress-vote-declaration-world-war-3-endless-war-borders-clear-enemies-22785/

If you want to see the actual text of the bill itself, be prepared, it's 387 pages of lawyer speak...

http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=61e9d0d1-581b-4204-ba0e-f601878bc710

Is a bigger picture starting to form for anyone yet??...

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73 Re: Gobekli Tepe on Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:10 pm

...clearly the checks and balances would be out of balance if this passes.

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74 Cancer: the Forbidden Cures on Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:39 am

http://www.truththeory.org/cancer-the-forbidden-cures/

Very eye opening insight into the business of cancer.

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75 Nobel lecture - Harold Pinter on Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:45 am

http://nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=620

Pinter won the Nobel Prize for literature in 2005 and this is his acceptance speech (prerecorded). Great lecture (though the first 8 mins or so are slower, the last 1/2 hour is absolutely excellent!)

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