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1 So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:43 am

Deslocke, standing in the courtyard of Corona Keep, in the presence of; Espirit, Sean, Reptis, Zazoo and Gabby too, says; "Well, we've captured this dragon, who's going to pay for its food? Are we paying Lord Corona to guard it? Should we try to sell it to some ultra powerful adventurer that lives in Dray? I'm sure that someone out there can train this dragon to be a cool mount. What do you all think?" Deslocke says all of this out of earshot of Venom.
DM Note: Lord Corona does not have the desire to have this dragon living at his keep on a long term basis. For at least a couple weeks, he will keep it under (heavy) guard so that it does not pose a threat to the surrounding villages and local trade routes. Lord Corona does not have enough funds to purchase the dragon from the party.

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2 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:46 am

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I say try to find a buyer, or just let it go.


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3 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:16 pm

I'd say sell it, though I think the money we'd get my upset the PC wealth guidelines.

Unlike the drakes, a dragon will be worth a lot more (although untrained it could be worth 10s of thousands of gp).

Oh, the reduced market value for magic items is only for magic items. Other things of value (gems, jewelry, and art) can still be sold for their gp value.

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4 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:33 pm

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We would split the dragon 5 ways, right. So it shouldn't really mess up the balance of the game. Also, we do have the house rules in to keep the magic item balance in check.

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5 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:59 pm

Dwarmaj wrote:the reduced market value for magic items is only for magic items. Other things of value (gems, jewelry, and art) can still be sold for their gp value.
Hmm... I would think a special 'item', like a rage drake, needlefang drake, and especially a captured Dragon, would all definately count more towards the magic item end than the jewelry end... there is far less of a ready market.
What does everyone else think? What's the best balance of simplicity & realism here?
As soon as Gabby is appropriate level, can she just buy a unicorn from the book? ...She definately wants one! :-)

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6 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:15 pm

I don't know why, but unicorns aren't listed as possible mounts. The MM lists Nightmares as "Large shadow magical beast (mount)", but the Unicorn has no "mount" descriptor.

If one were to be used as a mount, it'll cost at least as much as a Nightmare (25,000 gp)

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7 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:31 pm

Didn't catch that... I did notice I couldn't find pegasi in the new MM. Griffons read as being pretty common though.
Right now Gabby has 4pg, so it's not an urgent issue for her, but how are we going to rule on unusal mounts? ...there was a reason I was looking at pegasi & unicorns! :-)
Post Script: Gabby does NOT want a nightmare! :-( ...unless there's a goodly version.

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8 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:37 pm

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I'm thinking a Nightmare fits perfectly for Gabby. A Hell Hound would probably do fine also. Unicorn or Pegasi, definitely not. They are good aligned.


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9 So, I Have This Young Green Dragon For Sale on Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:23 pm

Deslocke, still with everyone around,
"I say we sell it and split the proceeds five ways then. If the group allows it, I'll be willing to act as negotiator on the group's behalf. I have some experience negotiating for my church."
No, you can't just buy unusual mounts for the "book" price. They have to be available and only the DM can rule if they are available. Agree with Ross that if we split the proceeds five ways and with the magic item wealth limit, balance should be maintained. Holy smokes, a young green dragon has got to be worth just a ton! Also, its not a magic item and I'd say that it would not be affected nearly as much, if at all by the magic item resale rules.

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10 offer on Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:12 pm

An 'Elf' looking remarkably similar to that of Deslocke's clan, except wearing an insignia of a star with 5 wavy points on his chest, approaches Deslocke. You note he is especially graceful and silent in his stride...
"I understand you hold a mighty and noble creature for ransom. I represent powerful interests that would see the young Emerald Wyrm set free. We are willing to offer 5 customly crafted items {level 9, assuming we're 5th-6th, i.e., one per PC who can play} of your choosing, if Venom has been well treated and you bring him to {hands you a map with a location marked, several days out and deep in the forest} to arrange a trade on {names a date after we have time for the next 2 adventures}. I'll be here for another couple days before leaving to have our crafters work on your trade... IF Venom has been well treated and at the arranged place & time."
Passive insight check tells you the offer is legitimate, though not to be totally trusted.
Knowledge nature check tells you that Orcs & occasional Giants have been known to inhabit that forest. (Few Humans travel there & wild)
Active perception reveals nothing, he looks exactly like an Elf of your tribe, but you suspect you're dealing with a Doppelganger, as he doesn't know an aweful lot of Elven lore. He does speak to you in very good Elvish though, and not the Common tounge.

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11 Deslocke's Reply on Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:59 pm

Deslocke - "I didn't catch your name kind sir, I, Deslocke beg your forgiveness. The dragon is very large and difficult to move safely. We cannot risk it escaping in transit and harming the local people. If we were to tranport the dragon locally, I'm sure the lord would insist on a large troop of his soldiers going with us. Since you are offering easy to carry items, why don't you come here, at least to the village with the items and we can discuss the matter in the comfort of the inn with fine drink and good food rather that at a rugged campsite?

Also, I cannot immediately accept your kind offer as is, you must understand I need to confer with my fellows who all have an interest in the matter. Lastly, two days is not enough time for us to consider your offer as there are others who have expressed a desire for the creature. This is a rare opportunity and if you and any associates are really interested, you will consider extending us some additional time and you will come to here to the village. If the village is too far, may I suggest a village mid-way between here and the location you've marked on the map as a "neutral" meeting point. Be sure that the dragon has been well treated, and of course the dragon will remain here while we meet to finalize any agreement."

Deslocke waits for a reply and uses insight to attempt to determine how the "elf" feels about Deslocke's proposal.

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12 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:24 pm

Reptis watches the exchange with interest, and some suspicion.

Deciding a bit of testing is in order to determine the elf's allegiance, he suddenly asks "do you speak draconian as well, doppleganger?" in draconian while watching closely for the elf's response.

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13 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:46 pm

If he's been well treated, that's what's key for now. If you need longer than 2 days, that can be negotiated, though I can't promise our crafters can custom build your requests in time, and residuum may have to substitute. As far as the meeting location, {obviously feigning compassion now} it is in the interest of the local people here that I'm thinking! {With a sly smile}, once Venom is set free, would you rather him among Orcs... or these Humans? What do you expect an angry Emerald Wyrm to want after release from captivity? {slight chuckle to himself} {mocking compassion again} I'd just hate to be responsible for Human blood when he's released and hunting free...

{Turning deadly serious again} Rest assured that after his release, he, and we, will be traveling many leagues south...

(looking around to make sure no one else is watching...) And I can give you a name but {changing to a dark haired, deep voiced Elf instead} we both know I'll just change it later... {smiles}

...Talk to your comrades, I'll be around town and will follow up with you again.

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14 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:50 pm

Trevor wrote:"do you speak draconian as well, doppleganger?" in draconian while watching closely for the elf's response.
As he's leaving Deslocke, he turns to you and says (in Draconian) "Of course." (He's now a dark haired Elf)
Noting the direction he leaves, and quickly checking the jail, you note that this is NOT Mystire, as he's still locked away...
Hey! I just thought about this... He (and I assume Deslocke) are speaking in Elvish. I'm not sure if Reptis understands Elvish. If Deslocke is answering back in Common, I'm sure you get the jist though...

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15 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:11 pm

OOC: Reptis could not understand what they were discussing, he just asked randomly as a test. Reptis knows that dopplegangers are aligned with the dragon, and that they can speak draconian. Since I asked before he made it apparent that he's a doppleganger, my intent was just to determine a) if he was able to speak draconian, and b) if he was possibly another doppleganger.

If he was a normal elf he'd probably have no idea what I said, or if he did understand draconian he would be confused by me calling him a doppleganger. Obviously, that is not the case, and the test was unnecessary anyway as he showed himself before he left.

IC: Reptis turns to Deslocke. "Well, what do the shapeshifters want of us now?"



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16 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:45 pm

Trevor wrote:OOC: Reptis could not understand what they were discussing, he just asked randomly as a test.
OOC: No problem. I was working on my reply when you posted, so I didn't see it yet. If I had, I'd likely have had him shape-shift AS he answered you with his "of course". :-)
{In fact, why don't we say that's what he did... You're in character play removed any doubt whom you're dealing with (unless someone terribly objects to slightly altering the 'in-game banter')}

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17 Immediate Interrupt - Shapershifter On Guard on Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:59 pm

Wait a second, as soon as Deslocke has a high level of certainty that he's talking to an un-natural shapeshifter, the situation "changes" (pun intended). I'm not letting him escape. Having Venom as a prisoner is good; having Venom and one of the Dopplegangers would be even better. He is evil and clearly threatening the surrounding people (elves, dwarves, sneaky (but good) halfling, and token Dragonborn) with harm. We have the dragon and there's no way we're letting the dragon back into their hands, items or not.
Suddenly, I'll hit him with Cascade of Light [+6 vs Will 3d8+4 and miss = 1/2 damage] (likely doing about 20 points of damage, yes, I'll use elven reroll if I miss) and assuming I surprised him, I'll scream as a free action "Minrath spy! Do not let him get away! Reptis, cut him off!" Note, if he's surprised by my sudden attack, I have combat advantage and I'm +2 to hit.
I'm sure we'll have to roll initiative now, if I win,
(don't forget, I'm +2 initiative for a total of +7 as Reptis is near me)

use Action Point - Hit him with Daunting Light + 6 (+8 if he hasn't acted yet) vs Ref. hit 2d10+4 (+5 more if my Cascade of Light also hit) and use elven accuracy if it is still available and I miss and grant Reptis Combat Advantage against the foul creature until the end of my next turn.
Free Action - as I used an action point, all further attacks by me are +1 to hit and all my defenses are +1 until the end of my next turn.
Minor Action - He is my Quarry (all my attacks inflict +1d6 damage)
Move Action - Change to Minor action - Pull out Dagger of Poison
(assuming I'm 2 to 7 squares away, I wouldn't let him get any farther)
Free Action - Divine Fortune (+1 to hit on all attacks until my next turn)
Standard Action - Throw Dagger [+12 to hit (+14 if combat advantage) includes Divine Fortune, if I miss, use elven accuracy if I have not used it already] [if hit, use Free daily item power, target is weakened and takes 5 on going poison damage and takes 1d4 (base dam) + 2 (item) + 1d6 (quarry) + 5 poison + 5 more if my Cascade of Light also hit]
Free Action - Dagger returns to my hand
Free Action - Yell "He's a shape shifter, get Master Flame! Surrender or die agent of Minrath! You will NOT get away!"
Note, I'm yelling that he's an agent of Minrath as that will get the most immediate reaction from the Corona guardsmen. In the worst case (for him) he's now taken about 60 or more points of damage and he's poisoned and weakened. It's your move...it's okay if we have to play this out.



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18 Notes on Deslocke and the Shapeshifter on Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:57 pm

talked to Brad on the phone, as Deslocke clearly in his original post adhered to the forum rules and indicated his location was the courtyard of Corona Keep with all the PC's within earshot, this is the setting as the Elf (of Tiamat - errrr shape shifter) speaks to Deslocke. As a little time past since Deslocke's original sentence and Deslocke's final sentence just before the Elf approaches Deslocke, some of the other PC's may have wandered off as none of them replied to Deslocke's comments. The exception would be Reptis who (by his posts) is clearly right nearby.

I would assume that there would be a good number of armed Corona guards, captains, and possibly special characters (Lord Corona, Flame, Maylene, Gayla, etc. etc.) that just happen to be nearby. They would likely attack to subdue (or even kill) anyone identified as an agent of Minrath! Hmmm... how many archers would normally be on duty along the walls of the courtyard? Further, since Reptis is a Dragon Lancer and elite guard of the keep and most likely in uniform, since Deslocke is calling on Reptis by name for aid, any other Corona forces would naturally support us (Deslocke and Reptis).



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19 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:38 pm

We should definately have some of these details of where everything/everyone is hashed out..."Determine surprise." The DM determines whether any combatants are surprised. If any combatants notice enemy combatants without being noticed in return, the aware combatants gain a surprise round." page 266 PHB.
Since they were conversing for sometime, obviously neither side noticed the other without being noticed in return, so Deslocke does not have surprise.
Doppelganger's init: +14 Once we figure how to set everything up, we'll see who acts in what order.
OOC: Since I wasn't really expecting an attack (so soon), I don't have him totally made out, so we'll have to wait to play this out. Terrain details need to be fleshed out too anyway if there's going to be a battle. We can see who wins initiative this weekend as I'm sure I'll have him finished by then... Needless to say, getting treasure for the Dragon is likely off the table now! (From me anyway, I haven't made any other NPCs that would want, and be in a position to buy, a young evil Dragon... Ross? It may be up to you to get paid for capturing a Dragon...)

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20 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:43 pm

[quote="bradly"]We should definately have some of these details of where everything/everyone is hashed out...
"Determine surprise." The DM determines whether any combatants are surprised. If any combatants notice enemy combatants without being noticed in return, the aware combatants gain a surprise round." page 266 PHB.

Since they were conversing for sometime, obviously neither side noticed the other without being noticed in return, so Deslocke does not have surprise.

Doppelganger's init: +14 Once we figure how to set everything up, we'll see who acts in what order.

OOC: Since I wasn't really expecting an attack (so soon), I don't have him totally made out, so we'll have to wait to play this out. Terrain details need to be fleshed out too anyway if there's going to be a battle. We can see who wins initiative this weekend as I'm sure I'll have him finished by then... Needless to say, getting treasure for the Dragon is likely off the table now! (From me anyway, I haven't made any other NPCs that would want, and be in a position to buy, a young evil Dragon... Ross? It may be up to you to get paid for capturing a Dragon...)

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21 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:04 pm

OOC: Hehe, well that got interesting real quick. I didn't think the doppleganger would admit to being one (I seem to recall you saying they have "screaming high" bluff). I asked my test question in the hope that someone with good insight would pick up on it.

Also Brad, I doubt we would really want to sell the dragon back to the people that we're already at odds with anyway. Seems like giving their dragon back to them would come back to bite us later (or breathe acid on us).

And as far as combat goes, Reptis would definitely go on the offense when the doppleganger revealed himself too. He's still a bit sore about the whole birth shell fragment theft. Hence the suspicion and question earlier.

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22 No Surprise... on Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:09 pm

If there is no surprise, since Deslocke initiated the battle, I still get "first strike", right? So it is a regular and not a surprise round? If I maintain "first strike" e.g. Deslocke is assumed to act in the number one slot regardless of initiative, then I assume I can use my Action Point in the first round since it is not a surprise round...
He was walking away when I hit him, it would be kind of strange for the doppleganger to suddenly know I was going to attack especially when you have confirmed that you weren't expecting an attack at all. If the doppleganger is even allowed an opportunity to suddenly evade Deslocke's attack before Deslocke even launches the attack, at a minimum I feel it is reasonable that Deslocke gets a hefty positive modifier to initiative. Discuss...

Hmmm...if we're just talking, is Deslocke a combatant? Yeah, I know I might be reaching here...



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23 Re: So, I have this Young Green Dragon... on Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:11 pm

Wow, this is going to be interesting.
Humm, good rangers can use poison daggers?

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24 Good Rangers Can Use Poison on Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:14 pm

...in 4.0 they can...at least I don't see a reason why a good Cleric/ Ranger wouldn't use something that occurs natually in nature against a foul evil shapeshifter...

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25 Surprise Round on Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:29 am

"The DM determines whether any combatants are surprised. If any combatants notice enemy combatants without being noticed in return, the aware combatants gain a surprise round." page 266 PHB." Since they were conversing for sometime, obviously neither side noticed the other without being noticed in return, so Deslocke does not have surprise.


However, pg 267, the next page of the DMG says,
Some battles begin with a surprise round. A surprise round occurs if any combatants are unaware of enemy combatants' presence OR hostile intentions... if supposed allies spring an attack and you failed your Insight check to notice the attackers' traitorous intentions, you're surprised.
(note, my Caps) I will conceed that Deslocke is not a "supposed ally" of the doppleganger, but I put forth that the intent of this phrase is that creatures that are in a non-combat situation that suddenly develops into a combat situation can achieve surprise while in the open. In other words, you are aware of thier presence but you were NOT aware of their hostile intentions. This would be akin to being in a market place full of people. You can see all the people, but you are not aware of the hostile intentions of the three assasins converging upon you within the shoppers. Thus, I take the position that it is possible that Deslocke can Surprise the Dopplegagger.

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